New tactic

[Valen]

There has been a new tactic that has crept into our league which is disturbing a few coaches.

This is to line up you men on one side if the lineout (preferbly where there is less coverage) and when the kick off is taken, to proceed to smack their own receiver forward 3 or 4 squares. This added with the players movement (plus GFI), usually adds to a one turn TD.

What does everybody think of this tactic.

[Grumbledook]

erm smack their own reciever forward?
You mean they are blocking their own players?

I don't think this is allowed and it certainly aint very sporting.

I may be wrong tho, seems a stupid idea to me.

[Valen]

Yes they are blocking their own receivers.

But when you considor most receivers start with dodge, and allot take block as second skill, and then add the assists, and the fact receivers are usually quite weak anyway, then it is very easy to do (TOO EASY ).

It becomes quite infurating when you find yourself losing 5 or 6 nil to a team who is just fast with weak receivers.

[DoubleSkulls]

LRB 1.3 pp10 1st sentence on Blocks - "Instead of moving, a player may throw a block at an opposing player who is in an adjacent square."

So you can't do this. IIRC there was nothing in 3ed that stopped you though.

There is the perfectly legitimate tactic of using pushbacks to get an extra couple of squares of move for your receiver.

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1,2,3,4 blocking player

So you use the Blitz to push your opponent into the receiver, who moves to the empty space to his left. You then use the 2nd blocking player to push the opponent into the receiver again, and the 3rd to to do again, and your 4th blocker to do the same. Voila your receiver has just moved forward 3 squares so can score without Sprint or a movement increase for a MA8 player..

If you get quick snap this is even easier, but even without you can move forward much further - as you don't have you use the blitz on the 1st push and you can use lots of multiple pushes to get your receiver very far forward.

Admittedly this is a low probability play (4 2 die blocks getting at least 1 push on each ~10%) and can be stopped by some defensive setups.

I think there are more complex examples of the same concept that may allow you to get an extra square.

Ian

[Valen]

Thank-you so much!

No doubt this will not impress some of the coaches in our league .

But oh well, thats life

[voyagers_uk]

if they are blocking their own player do you get to choose the result and or render assists.

[Valen]

they choose direction of pusbacks, but I may lend assists.

[Geggster]

Valen,

I think your initial posting displays a flagrant abuse of the spirit (if not the rules necessarily) of the game.

Blocking your own players to get into scoring positions smacks of the same dubious rule bending that got the Old Allies Rules removed a while back. Namely, to hell with the game, how can I win by any means possible?

The rulebook doesn't explain about faking a heart attack when losing in the second half but it doesn't mean that that is a viable tactic.

The fact that the LRB now forbids this silly blocking tactic is irrelevant IMO.
A bit of common sense is needed not a rulebook that resembles a Law Library.

[Valen]

I agree with you completley .

But you try explaining that to a bunch of victory hungry blood bowl coaches, and I also agree with the allies rules, until I noticed the ally rules on the MBBL (which we now use), I was planning to change our rules anyway.

[Geggster]

Don't get me wrong, we all like to win. But not to sound too twee, its how you play the game.

I had the unfortunate experience of playing a game at Resurrection next to one of these dodgy coach-types. He whooped and he hollered as his opponent failed to move his turn marker at least five times in the second half. It really was quite embarrassing for everyone involved. But rather than help him (it was already 3-0 or so) he racked up a 6-0 stating that if he dished out a real stuffing, then maybe just maybe his opponent would learn. How magnaminous of him. I'd be very surprised if the defeated guy has played since. Well done that man.

[Mestari]

I hate that.
I call for IP only when I'm losing (well, that was really just a theoretical statement ) or if the game is really close.

You have to deserve what you get. And getting a TO for the opponent because the opponent forgot to move his marker is not what you could say that you deserve.

[longfang]

This idea happened once years ago in a league I played in in Portsmouth, but not to the extent of getting 1 turn TD's. The coach needed to score in the last turn of the game to win the match but they were one square short. They blocked their own ball carrier, pushing them 1 square closer to the end zone. The touch down was scored, one coach the crafty victor, one coach the disgruntled loser, bystanders......well too stoned to care much really, but this tactic was very quickly banned before it got out of hand.


Doing it legally can only happen if you follow Ians post.....pushing opposing players into your players, but this will only happen in a packed scrap.

[Holy G]

I hate to say this but Valen is the type of player who thinks nothing of destroying the opposition as a recent 9-0 victory demonstrates, he just got disgruntled cos he lost a game !!!

And to correct Ian's comments earlier it actually says in my LRB "BLOCK: The player may make a single block against a player in an adjacent square. Players that have been knocked over may not perform this action"

And what you find is that if a team makes for pick-up, pass, catch, and then four or five succesful blocks then they deserve a td, however once thi td is achevied the team then has to kick to the opponent, so it doesn't gaurantee a surefire win....bugger me I killed my best catcher last week by being foolish !!! TOOOO cap it all Valen our League commissioner taught me this manuevre....blatant abuse of his commissioner status to acheive his own ends !!!!Justice ?? ANy comment anyone !!

[Grumbledook]

Well the rulebook now says that you can only make blocks against an opponent, so you are no longer able to block your own team.

At the end of the day what goes around comes around.

Grumbledook

[Holy G]

Grumbledook..on page 8 it says otherwise!!!, another note is that the correct use of guard and tackle in a sensible defense just makes the offending player commit harry carry!!! As I well know..