EUROBOWL 3 RESULTS

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:10 pm

If i remember well, the former NaF president decided it one week before the event.

For my taste, i was totally opposed to that decision but anyway...

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:25 pm

On the NAF side tourney at EB3 - it was announced well in advance so people had the chance to come along. The prices for attending were lower to relfect the fact people not in EB3 itself shouldn't contribute to the prize fund.

On NAF ranking the Eurobowl, I fail to see what the problem is about. The issue is NOT that people are going to Eurobowl for NAF ranking. Saying this is plain wrong. It's worth exactly the same as any other tournament out there so for someone serious about improving their NAF rank they are better off spending the money to attend two local tournies than attend one international one where the level of competition is arguably higher than the European average. People get worked up about it and want to go because it's advertised as being good fun (which it is), you get to play people you may not otherwise get to and national pride is at stake, albeit in a relaxed and light-hearted fashion. IMO the people who need to organise qualifiers are taking it far too seriously and are being over competitive for the sake of being over competitive. They aren't doing it for NAF points

As for whether it should be NAF ranked, well, by the letter of the law it shouldn't, along with Tulips etc. But I think that, along with Tulips, EB should be NAF ranked. It represents everything the NAF wants, on some levels at least, in that it brings together coaches from all over Europe to play together in the right spirit. As I've said, NAF-rank-crazy coaches will go elsewhere more frequently to get the points they crave. And if, as was the case this year, the option was there to come along and play NAF ranked games on the side then there is no reason for it not to be ranked.

Think about it. EB is great, and we should be encouraging people to come along and support their nation. If it's not NAF ranked only the odd one or two hanger-ons or partners will come along. If it IS NAF ranked and people know that if they come they can play NAF ranked games with coaches from all over Europe - as many as they can fit in, technically - AS WELL AS watching and supporting their nation then attendances should rise, more people get involved and everyone benefits.

From what I can tell the main arguments for not wanting it NAF ranked are from those people who feel like they won't ever be picked, couldn't go or chose not to go over some pretty silly argument over this years retrospectively fantastic location.

Mordredd · Post by **Mordredd** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:38 pm

Longshot wrote:What i am afraid of with Naf Sanction over that is :

if it is Naf then it have to not be invitationnal then :

Qualification on all the country to get only the best players in each Team.
qualification in some tournies or by NaF Ranking.
That could also mean some ass holes...

I don't think that it is necessary to take things that far. To be NAF sanctioned a tourney does not have to offer equal accessibility to all coaches, nor does it need to offer unlimited capacity. I think that it is perfectly reasonable to consider the building of an 8 coach team to be like the selling out of an 8 coach tournament. Just as long as every coach is able to put their name forward to the relevant country's team captain for consideration that should be enough.

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:47 pm

Indi, can I kindly ask that you don't suggest Tulips should be NAF ranked.. we were offered the chance 2 years ago and myself and Lucy flatly turned it down.. let's keep the discussion here about EB only please..

Aramil · Post by **Aramil** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:54 pm

Well, I've been away from the pc for half a day and now so many important and interesting points arose!

Well, my ideas:

- Scoring system: I like a lot the 1/0.5/0 system, I don't dislike the 3/1/0. I'm going to work around it

- Swiss system: I think that the swiss methods it's becoming necessary. In 2004 Italy came second tied with Germany just 1 point far from England and we never met England and Germany, in 2005 Italy won in front of Spain without meeting them. If we are good we need to prove it beating the strongest opponents
I'm thinking about a 1st day radom and 2nd day swiss, by the way

- Side tournament: yes, as Florian said I want to organize a real Side Tournament in order to give everybody the possibility to play in the same venue of the eurobowl, with the same rules, with all the "cheerleaders" of the foreign teams. This would lead to an Open Tournament, so maybe there is still a possibility to have it NAF sanctionned.

- I agree with Mr Longshot that it would be better to split the different topic we're discussing over in different threads, maybe (please Mods

) in a different zone under the Turnament section of TBB...

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:22 pm

Aramil.. the voice of reason..

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:23 pm

Norse wrote:Indi, can I kindly ask that you don't suggest Tulips should be NAF ranked.. we were offered the chance 2 years ago and myself and Lucy flatly turned it down.. let's keep the discussion here about EB only please..

My intent was to show that the NAF rule is designed to stop Billy No Mates hosting an invitational in his bedroom and thereby abusing the system. Sanctioning EB or Tulips could well be against the letter of the law but is certainly not against the spirit of it and both events are examples of the best the tourney scene has to offer - in one case actual starting it, another case bringing together every country in Europe that can rustle up a team. Both are great achievements. And I was saying that IMO there is no reason why Tulips should NOT be ranked, not shouting for things to be it changed so it IS ranked.

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:33 pm

OK, fair enough...

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:43 pm

Indigo wrote:... the NAF rule is designed to stop Billy No Mates hosting an invitational in his bedroom and thereby abusing the system ...

Partially I suppose. I had always thought it was to stop people being excluded from an event that awards NAF points (for whatever reason). Otherwise (for example) Mordredd could run an event and not allow Lucifer to attend, thus improving his chance of regaining the #1 spot.

longfang · Post by **longfang** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:46 pm

Norse wrote:Indi, can I kindly ask that you don't suggest Tulips should be NAF ranked.. we were offered the chance 2 years ago and myself and Lucy flatly turned it down.. let's keep the discussion here about EB only please..

Agree with that. Correct decision Ramz.

Lizardcore · Post by **Lizardcore** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:27 pm

Hi all, and thanks again for this very good bloodbowl Event !

This tournament just gives me lust for more

I especially like the opportunity to have 9 coach for a team of 8 players, and that wouldn't be possible if both the teams and players are swissed.

If you want more chearleaders, jsut make the eurobowl every year in holland

dwarfcoach · Post by **dwarfcoach** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:54 pm

Sounds like everyone had a great time, excellent!! Well done Italy, pozzo giocato! Sounds like there's gonna be some very happy Europeans dutifully making a trip to Italy next year (but love, I have to, I'd be letting the team down... )8)

I was suprised after reading the last few pages of this thread however that it has turned in a weird direction that would be alot more suited to the NAF forum...?

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:32 pm

dwarfcoach wrote:I was suprised after reading the last few pages of this thread however that it has turned in a weird direction that would be alot more suited to the NAF forum...?

Yes Aran, you are right. My apologies.

This thread should be about eurobowl itself, not about Naf discussions.

dwarfcoach · Post by **dwarfcoach** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:02 pm

Hehe, no probs mate, I wasn't having a go at anyone

, more thinking that this conversation (whilst valid and interesting) is takign away from the glory of the weekend.

So Italy eh? Bit of a whether change for the Scottish team don't you think???

Evil Git · Post by **Evil Git** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:31 am

bit of a weather change aran? blimey it's going to be kilts and t-shirt weather over there at this time compared to scotland. oh and i don't think the side tournament was naf was it this year. although i did win it

a bigger side tournament with a proper structure would be a good thing, but then having more than 3 people taking part would also be a good thing. it did give me the chance to play a load of other games i would never have bothered with before though which is only a good thing (unless you're my bank manager and then it's a bad thing, a very bad thing indeed)