dode74 wrote:That "credible fantasy world" no longer exists in GW's mind. Slann, as originally created, don't exist.
Well the reason they don't exist anymore is because of this credible fantasy world. The 'lets turn animals into humanoid theme' became a thorn. Also it's difficult to explain Lizardmen and Slann co-existing. So it's a fluff reason why they don't want them. I wish they did.........but that's their reason.
dode74 wrote: There is a roster which exists and which works for which there is no race (whether we all remember frogs or not), so it's better from the game's perspective that it is used.
Coming up with rosters that work is hardly rocket science. I mean what were the chances that your Khorne list wouldn't work? Almost zero. Making a roster that isn't broken (and we're not talking about inexperienced ragers here) is fairly easy. Making it fit Galak's check sheet, the fluff, the other rosters and is interesting to play is the tough part.
dode74 wrote: I think there's a middle ground between LoL and your perspective, HM. I also think Cyanide and GW are trying to find it.
Well Riot can't. Everytime I load a game of LoL I get a pointless, bolted on fluff fact rammed down my throat that half the time I don't even bother reading. Cyanide also certainly don't know either. There problem is that the community has more BB knowledge than them.
GW are in a difficult position in that they're picking up a game the community has been developing for 20 so years. Is it their game anymore? A very difficult situation, but they must stick to their protocols. Credible fluff is essential. If we didn't have it originally, we wouldn't be here now.
dode74 wrote: I know Cyanide worked hard to get the Slann roster in the game and now they've done so there are still some people not happy about it. I do wonder if they'd produced a different roster and not Slann whether you'd be castigating them for not using Slann.
No certainly not. I have nothing personally against Cyanide. I want them to do a good job and succeed. Probably difficult to find now, but back in the day before they releases Khorne I was excited and wanted them to do it. I think a lot of my venom towards that roster was my disappointment in what it turned out to be. It showed on so many levels they just do not get it. The same with using Plasmoid's stuff; where it's not universally accepted to be a good thing. Lack of knowledge.
I also think GW and Cyanide have different objectives. For Cyanide it's a computer game, they update it like a computer game. For GW it's a world, it's important that world inspires imagination.
When you bought one of these GW games, you looked at the pictures, you read the fluff, you let your imagination flow. You were excited by the world before you even played a game. Computer games just don't go to that level of role playing. And GW are the best at it. Any competition in the past they've blown out the water due to their world being the most detailed.
Finding a middle ground between LoL and GWs perspective maybe possible. In fact aren't we there now? How many tournament or online gamers have no idea? Maybe we've already gone too far and are nearer to the LoL game. Certainly Cyanide aren't helping in maintain the fluff side of things. Yet, the way Riot are pushing the pointless bolted on fluff, they'd love to have a world like Warhammer with such detail and creativity. So....for me it's imperative we don't become another bolt on fluff game. It will break BB as it was intended.