GFI and armor roll

SkiJunkie · Post by **SkiJunkie** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 7:20 pm

Where do the rules specifically say that a failed GFI causes an armor roll? I can't find it.

The rules say a player "knocked over" for any reason must make an armor roll. Everywhere else that an armor roll is mentioned the words "knocked over" are used except for GFI and Leap.

GFI used the words "trips up and falls prone." (i.e. nothing knocked them over) There is no mention of an armor rolls.

Leap which I see as very similar uses the words "fall over" but then specifically mentions that an armor roll should be made.

Initially I used to play where GFI did not cause an armor roll but was convinced by others that it should. Now I can't remember why I was convinced.

Someone convince me again.

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 7:48 pm

I can't convince you but they convinced the rest of my league. I'm sure they'll be along shortly to say that 'knocked over' and 'falls over' are the same thing. I don't know why they wouldn't be consistent in their wording , especially after all the LRB rewrites.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:04 pm

When you think of it, falls over and knocked over technically the same. Falls over results from something you do to make you lose balance and fall over as in a GFI or failing a dodge. Knocked over implies action taking apon you, such as getting blocked. But the rules don't reflect that so treat them as the same thing.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:33 pm

Ski the wording will get cleaned up in October (I hope) .. this item is on the list.

The wording in the LRB and previous rule books in an unfortunate miswording.

Trust me .. GFI failure = armour roll

Galak

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:35 pm

Would it convince anyone if I told them Jervis had intended that it would force an armour roll? The trick is to find the wording in the armour roll section, not in the GFI section. I'll try to dig it up when I get home.

SkiJunkie · Post by **SkiJunkie** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 9:03 pm

I agree it causes an armor roll. I just got asked why my game does an armor roll for failed GFI and I was hoping I could point to a line the LRB 1.3 that would back it up.

As for being knocked over and falling over from being off balance I think there is a difference (real life talk here, not implying anything towards the game). Falling off balance is usually (not always) more controlled then if someone or something hits you hard enough to just knock you off your feet.

I fence (olympic sport not building a barrier) and when I fleche (running attack) and accidentally bump my opponent and he goes down I can tell you he hits the ground a lot harder than if he just lost his balance trying to avoid me.

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:30 am

Yeah I know JJ intended it. I still don't like it.

Be careful walking home, guys! I'd hate to see any of you fall over and die.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 7:48 am

look on it as the extra excertion of pushing the body to its limits to go that extra mile. treading in a rabbit hole, heart attack from the increased workload etc etc etc

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 4:45 pm

Nope I don't buy that either. In ALL sports people push their limitations and give 110% but they rarely have a heart attack and die from it. The only examples I can think of are last year when a couple football players died from heat exhaustion. But the circumstances were extreme. Heat Wave + all day practice + not admitting there was a problem.
I can't think of any circumstance where an otherwise healthy athelete, on a normal day in his prime, pushed himself and then dropped dead. My god the olympics would be a horror show if that was the case!

Like I said, my opinion of this rules is...whatever.

neverdodge · Post by **neverdodge** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 4:47 pm

btw there are lot of football game and rarelly a player die from a block ..

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 5:23 pm

That's because in football players aren't...
a. monsters
b. wearing 12 inch spikes on their fists
c wearing chains around their fists
d. eating each other
e. throwing each other
f. playing with a spiked ball
g. shooting fireballs and lightening bolts at each other
h. mutated into death machines
i. using chainsaws
etc etc etc

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 7:28 pm

I wish they were Pariah. I wish they were. Either allow weapons or reduce the comercial breaks. Sheeesh.

BullBear · Post by **BullBear** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:13 pm

We don't roll armour for failing a GFI.

It doesn't make any sense. It's like saying that tripping does about the same damage as being hit from a saurus, chaos warrior, black ork, etc. I never bought it and found the rule simply...lame.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:16 pm

The only reason I can understand the armour roll after failed GFI is as a sort of "balancing factor". With the armour roll GFI has now an increased risk associated with it; read the label, you've been warned.

But I'm not for or against it either way, just stating that it's there for a reason.

-Balrog

ps: love the Groo avatar, BullBear

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 10:39 pm

Bullbear is right, the whole idea of rolling armour for a failed GFI is pretty lame, but it will never be changed (will never get on the BBRC agenda). Doesn't matter. Though I think it is lame, I still use it. Could house rule it though. Maybe just have a roll to see if player is stunned or just prone on failed GFI and dodge.