Dauntles and Piling On

SBG · Post by **SBG** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 11:28 pm

Hi there !

What happens if one has Dauntless and let's say he's brought to ST5 and then Piles On, does he get +5 or the regular ST ???

Fred

Zy-Nox · Post by **Zy-Nox** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 11:34 pm

Regular strength.

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 12:34 pm

I think I would disagree here I am afraid. I think it should be the ST5, he is blocking with more aggression

, therefore he will pile on to you with more aggression

.

But I can see why you think the other way, it has never came up in any of our games.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 12:39 pm

Well horns adds +1 str for the blitz, piling on uses your players strength, so it would be his normal strength not the extra modified strength

Zy-Nox · Post by **Zy-Nox** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:02 pm

Valen wrote:I think I would disagree here I am afraid. I think it should be the ST5, he is blocking with more aggression , therefore he will pile on to you with more aggression .

But I can see why you think the other way, it has never came up in any of our games.

IMO Dauntless makes the player 'better' at blocking, it doesnt make him into an ultra strong...thing...I mean can you really see a player with this combo adding 6 to the av roll just because he's blocking a tree man?

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:09 pm

Same here, piling on beastman = ST4

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:13 pm

A piling on beatman would add 3 because thats his strength. Likewise a gutterrunner with dauntless and horns wouldn't get to add 6 to the armour roll for piling on. This means that the stronger the opponent the more your adding to his piling on, for a gutter runner it should just be +2.

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:16 pm

I see the skill Pile On as the attacker jumping onto the prone player to give him a few more digs, so therefore if he has summoned the ST to hit a treeman with ST6 then thats what he is using to carry on digging him.

Zy-Nox · Post by **Zy-Nox** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:22 pm

Valen wrote:I see the skill Pile On as the attacker jumping onto the prone player to give him a few more digs, so therefore if he has summoned the ST to hit a treeman with ST6 then thats what he is using to carry on digging him.

I dont think he's really 'summoned' the strength...more along the lines of he knows where to kick stronger players

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:25 pm

Fair enough.

So he is just kicking them in the same place while they are on the ground.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:27 pm

You sure your not just using this to your advantage because high elves are a weaker team and don't really have access to higher strength teams. Dauntless is already an equaliser to take on stronger players, to penalise them even more by having a higher armour modifier just be cause they are stronger seems very unfair. They have a higher armour for a reason, piliong on is designed to give you a better chance to beat their armour not make their armour the same to beat as a weaker player.

SBG · Post by **SBG** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:28 pm

I can understand both opinions, but that doesn't give me a clear answer !!

We need a rulz guru to take a look at this !

Fred

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:31 pm

Indeed, guess we will have to wait for Galak to wake up!

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:37 pm

I would just like to point out that I would never even considor giving any of my elves pile on, why would I want any of my puf... oops, I mean lovely elves

, on the floor?

They are definatley better on their feet running away.

franck_le_grand · Post by **franck_le_grand** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:41 pm

"Pilling on" means that the player jumps on top of the player, to hurt him a little bit more than just by blocking him.

Now this means that when a gutter runner, for example, is pilling on and uses dauntless to ST5, he will only get +2 on armour because he isn't that big. I mean would it that much if a gut runner jumped on top of a treeman???? No, so I would say that you don't get the bonus when pilling on with dauntless.

In LRB p. 34 dauntless says:

A player with this trait is capable of psyching themselves up so that they can take on even the very strongest opponent

This means he just psychs himself up for the block, and not for the pilling on. I mean, how can you psych yourself up to land harder if you are a gutter runner!

This is my arguments against this, and I beleive I'm right. Otherwise I would love to hear something else.

Le Grand