Skaven Rat Ogre, still worth it?

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:56 am

I hate all rat bastards! Die vermon scum!

Anyway, back on topic, ROs aren't as good as they used to be.

MattiasF · Post by **MattiasF** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 11:19 am

I've managed to get Block and scored TD with my Ro. I think its a risky player before Block, but now he works like a charm!

I sometimes have to protect him sometimes with a few bodyguards when he have frenzied himself in a... not so favourable position. I do fear the day when my opponent have a few players with guard to as my bodyguards then no longer can negate those assists!

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 11:34 am

Unless you get a touchback it is a risky play since there is a good chance he'll fail the pickup, catch or hand off, and you can't use a TRR.

Kamikaze Rudy · Post by **Kamikaze Rudy** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 2:23 pm

Skummy wrote:I don't think he's worth it. He boils down to an expensive safety, and you can achieve the same thing more reliably and cheaper on a Skaven team with one or two rolls. Big guys need to be beating sticks, and he just isn't.

When your opponents' catchers are in the knockout or injured box, is he still considered too expensive? I got Block with my RO after the second game. The next game, I played a tough, undefeated Dark Elf team and Seriously Injured 2 of his blitzers, and knocked out his passer with the Rat Ogre alone. Went on to win 3-2 in OT. 9 Rats against 7 Dark Elves

coldsteel · Post by **coldsteel** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:10 pm

I dunno. In a league where, unfortunately, EVERYONE takes a frigging Big Guy, you almost HAVE to to survive. That being said, I just like the model...

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:22 pm

"But I won a game using a Rat Ogre" is not addressing the point.

The point IMO remains that with the rules as they stand, the opposing coach is given the option to play the Rat Ogre and not the ball. This is not at all a good thing for the game and it removes the WA coach's ability to make tactical decisions based on their player's negative trait.

IMO, must move first, can't use rerolls and can't claim assists is easily nasty enough for your 130k. Yes, they are still nasty, but that's kind of why they cost 130k and you can only have one of them.

Add the ability to decline to take your WA's turn (for any reason you choose) and you've put the tactical decision back in the hands of the coach while not removing in any way the ability of their opponent to neutralise the WA.

Oxinotl · Post by **Oxinotl** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 8:36 pm

SgtCaples wrote:All I can say, is that I am a seasoned coach and used to wining more than I lose

Rofl.. sorry i know its a typo but just couldtn resist

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 8:56 pm

Yes wining, the act of entertaining with wine, your blood bowl games must be rather sophisticated.

SgtCaples · Post by **SgtCaples** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 10:18 pm

Oxinotl wrote:
SgtCaples wrote:All I can say, is that I am a seasoned coach and used to wining more than I lose
Rofl.. sorry i know its a typo but just couldtn resist

One good typo deserves another.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:05 am

Slow down, I'm still trying to work out "vermon"!

martynq · Post by **martynq** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:48 am

Deathwing wrote:Slow down, I'm still trying to work out "vermon"!

I think it's similar to "vermen" which is a type of figure produced by a company other than GW which a friend of mine uses to represent his skaven.

Cheers,
Martyn

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:25 pm

isn't vermin the correct term for troublesome rats?

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:12 pm

Kamikaze Rudy

When your opponents' catchers are in the knockout or injured box, is he still considered too expensive? I got Block with my RO after the second game. The next game, I played a tough, undefeated Dark Elf team and Seriously Injured 2 of his blitzers, and knocked out his passer with the Rat Ogre alone. Went on to win 3-2 in OT. 9 Rats against 7 Dark Elves

I won 13 games in a row without a RO, averaging 2 CAS a game. I'm not saying he can't be effective. I'm saying that with a little development, the Rats can get the same effect on a Storm Vermin. Mighty Blow is a skill they can take without a problem, and if you can't find an assist with Skaven movement you aren't trying hard enough. With the SV, you get the added bonus of being able to use a reroll. Is he worth it? Not in my opinion.

The only way I'd ever fear a RO is if he had Block, Piling On and Razor Sharp Claws. That would be a bit intimidating.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:24 pm

Marcus won 9 and drew 1 game before buying a RO. He then lost the next 5 games.

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Skaven Rat Ogre, still worth it?

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