Sent off for Fouling. Miss a game or not?

[McDeth]

Now i like the IGMEOY rules at the moment, but with regards to fouling some people do whenever the opportunity arises some people dont as tactically it can tie up a fair few men for it to be successful, or just advocate the idea of fouling.

So as a thought it perhaps arises as to whether if a player is sent off for fouling as to whether he shoulsd automatically miss the next game or not as punishment for the crime.

This would make the whole act of fouling, a high risk as its effects will have a long term effect on the team, likewise it would certainly be an aid to the low value armour teams.

It could even be an arguement as to getting rid of IGMEOY and leaving it as a 1 in 6 chance of being caught, but the penalty for being caught of much further reaching.

Thoughts??

[DoubleSkulls]

I don't think fouling needs to be made any worse. Since you can pretty much hold your opponent to 2 fouls a game its not the game dominating problem it used to be.

Even without scrapping IGMEOY I don't think I'd ever foul except for tactic reasons if this rule was in place. I don't want to have players missing games.

Maybe tie suspensions to causing a death or SI? If you are sent off and caused an SI or death then you miss the next game (you were spotted and severely punished). That might be OK, so long as IGMEOY was scrapped too.

[Dave]

We have house ruled this.

If you commit a foul when the ref is looking at you, there is a 1 in 3 chance of being Suspended for the next match.

It's an extra dice roll but it works really well. You defenitely think twice if you wanna foul again

Note that it only works if the ref was looking your way!!

[martynq]

I would definitely no longer foul with any player more important than a skeleton (i.e., my dark elves would not foul at all). As it is, I seem to have a 75% chance of rolling a 6 on a ref roll... my players always seem to get sent off when they try to foul.

Martyn

[Grumbledook]

Could leave it as it is but roll a further d6 if they get sent off and on a 1 miss the next game.

I like IGMEOY because it increases the chance the player will get sent off. Now if you are on the recieving end of a foul, I am sure that you would rather the player had a greater chance of getting sent off, than them missing the next game. Think about it, if someone fouled and killed your best player, would you rather he missed the rest of your match, which is of some benefit to you, or he missed the next game, which will make it easier for the next team who plays them, ie not you but another of your opposition in the league ;]

I know which i prefer, the thought of missing a game crossed my mind before, but I wouldn't lose IGMEOY to implement it. (unless i see a valid suggestion)

[Trambi]

In our leagues, we don't use IGHEOY rule but the red card rule (sending off leads to miss the next match) to prevent fouls at the very end of the match.

[McDeth]

Have to admit it was the end of the match pointless fouling which was one of the reasons made me raise the point.

I take the point that if you dont want to get into a fouling war then you can just sit back with the eye on the opposition.

I've just always felt that the punishment should fit the crime.

Can anyone advise what happens in American Football, can someone be sent off for such actions and what penalty befalls them or the team.

soccer means an automatic ban for the next game or even 2, but i'm not sure what happens in American Football?

[Grumbledook]

football is a 3 match ban for a straight red isn't it 2 if its 2 yellows?

no idea about american football

[DoubleSkulls]

football is a 3 match ban for a straight red isn't it 2 if its 2 yellows?

It varies with the competition and seriousness of the offence.

In European football 3 yellow cards result in a 1 match ban. IIRC Red is at least 2, unless its for a 2nd yellow in the same game in which case it is only 1 match.

In the Premiership Red cards are automatic 1 match ban, while you need 5 yellows for a 1 match ban.

[plasmoid]

IMO,
the new fouling system works wonderfully.
But Dirty Player is still broken.

Perhaps give a 1 match suspension when a DP gets caught for fouling?
Martin

[Tamper Magnitude]

My league have played this rule in cup games for years, I got my star orc thrower sent off in the last turn against a High Elf team I was losing to, forgot i'd lose him for the next game

Still, won the next game 2-1 without him

[Longshot]

House rule here:

using IGMEOY but the player is sent off only on a 6 (never 4+, only6) but a player sent off miss the next game (sent off for fouling or SW is the same thing).

Red Card works pretty well.

[Bob-the-Fish]

I hate to start this whole discusion again, but honestly, I think fouling has been pretty much eliminated from the game when the rules were changed to not give SPPs for casualties caused from fouls. If you want to introduce another penalty for fouling in addition to the limitations already in place, I think there should be some benifit to the player to actually give some inclination to foul in the first place.
The only reason to foul now is to take out an opposing coach's good players, which in my experience doesn't lead to a very friendly game.
To tell the truth, I never really understood why players that were sent off for fouling didn't miss a game from some sort of suspention rule. I think introducing a rule like that and giving SPPs for all casualties caused by a player would be a big improvement in the game and bring back the flavor of mahem and random violence that was once part of BB.

[SartosaCenturion]

In american football it's a monetary fine(usually pretty hefty, in the tens of thousands) in addition to suspension if the violation was bad enough. I think they're examined on a single basis. I could be wrong, I'm not the specialist on nfl procedure.

I don't mind the current rules too much, they're tougher than they used to be, but not so tough that nobody fouls. Maybe it's just our league, but most teams foul like crazy. Remember BB is fantasy, and it's supposed to be outrageously brutal, I think having hawkeyed refs kinda gimps that feel. I mean, they let chainsaws on the field.

[Colin]

In American (or Canadian) football, I would say that the equivalent of fouling (as no one tries to kill their opponents as in BB) would be an intentional attempt to injute the other player, which is the only thing that results in the player being ejected (most other penalties result in loss of yardage or downs). So I think the way the game is now, is OK, no reason to have player miss next game (though I might see it for SIs and KIAs).