EUROBOWL 2009 - ITALY - NOVEMBER 7/8

[haktar]

[Old Man Draco]

Or more easy, count the wins of each TEAM. The country with the most wins gets it.

So if the Spanish Team wins 5 matches (or do you play 6) And Ireland would win 4, it would not matter what the result of the individual coaches themselves would be.

Spain would get 5 points, Ireland 4. If two teams have the same score in the end, then use the individual matches for tiebreaker.

As it is a TEAM event, that would seem most fair to me. Also it would even out the possibility that a not so good team wins the title just because they had one lucky 8-0 victory.

[kewan]

of course, we've got a dirty trick
rules will be almost the same of last years, but with a small change in points. maybe Farina already told to the team captains but we are considering to give 1 bonus point for team victory.

I don't like very much this idea.

Kewan, I assume you mean you don’t like the +1 for a win?

At first I wasn’t sure, but now I like it. It rewards the win above all else, and means it’s less likely that crushing victories (perhaps against ‘weaker’ nations) will give a huge advantage.

Imagine this situation:

Team Ireland win 5-3 and 5-3
Team Sweden lose 3-5 and win 8-0

Without the +1 bonus, Team Ireland’s 2 wins would earn them fewer points than Team Sweden’s 1 win – (10 for Ireland, 11 for Sweden)

With the +1 bonus, Team Ireland would get 12 points and Sweden 11.

I'm not agree only for one reason, it's possible that the team with more points can lose the tournament, and that's not fair.

But, you could use this option as tiebreaker. If 2 teams are tied at the end of the tournament, the team with victories over their opponents, is the winner

[Pipey]

OK my maths were wrong (doh!!!!! ) but I hope the point is clear. Will edit...

I was pretty happy with how it was for 2008, but I don't think this new change would make things any worse.

Tiebreak wouldn't be such a bad thing. I wouldn't oppose that personally.

Nice one Grum

[Ironjaw]

I thought you had a maths degree Pippy?

[kewan]

I've asked to ST teammates, and this is our answer

The Spanish Team doesn't support this idea. If what you want is to give an extra value to the team that wins more rounds over the team that has one lucky 8-0 round, an option could be to have, as the first tiebreaker, the number of rounds won.

But you can do as you want, we're going to have fun, and winning is not important this year. Next probably will be better for us, because is just before WC and we need at least 2 years for organizing Eurobowl

[Hangus]

i think the scoring is fine and cannot see any reason for changing it. It has worked for 5 years so why change it now.

the role of the captain is the only thing i would consider changing ie like he can choose who play who.

[kithor2002]

i think the scoring is fine and cannot see any reason for changing it. It has worked for 5 years so why change it now.

the role of the captain is the only thing i would consider changing ie like he can choose who play who.

Second that especially the 2nd sentence.

[Grumbledook]

what if one captain wants to play the captain of the other team but the other captain doesn't want to play but you decide that the team that is lowest ranked at the moment gets preference but they are on equal points have scored the same conceded the same caused the same cas took the same cas and were born on the same day and have the same team name and real name?

do you roll a dice?

[Hangus]

how about the team with the least points has to say who he picks for table one then the other captain pick, then it is reversed.

So Ireland has 6 points and Wales has 5.5. The Welsh captain picks Wood elf on table one so the Ireland captain chooses Dwarfs to play him. For table two the Ireland captain picks undead for table two and Wales picks Amazons.

Actually points don't have that big a part of it but the captains have more to do than pick their team and give the pre-tourney speech.

[Gorbad]

Gah!

I can see now that whatever system is picked, apparently Ireland already has more points than the Dutch... and they don't even have 8 players!

I vote to preemptively disqualify the Irish.

[wp]

We tried the "team bonus" during the past TTC (Tilean Team Cup) and we'll use it again this weekend for the TTC 2009.

Past year I had to input the results and generate rounds. The bonus points doesn't really matter. It was only an additional input problem. So I don't like it. It's useless and/or complicates the score system.

By the way: is there a team searching for freebooter? Airport pick-up with my small car is included in my fee

Roller

[Ironjaw]

Can you talk to Farina about the Captain picks system?

I think it will add greatly to the role of captain.

[Podfrey]

The following system I've seen used in the ETC (European Tournament Championship or something..... basically Eurobowl for Warhammer and 40K ) and is this:

Captain of the lowest place team (A) selects one of their players and puts them forwards. Captain of the other team (B) selects two of their players and puts them back to (A). (A) then chooses which of the two will play their pick.

The player from (B) not selected becomes (B)s next selection, with (A) then choosing 2 players and presenting them to (B), etc.

For example:
Scotland vs England

Valen selects Evil Git.
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Pippy offers Geggster and Lycos.
Valen selects Lycos to play Evil Git.
Geggster is now the automatic selection.
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Valen offers Thadrin and Hoomin.
Pippy selects Thadrin to play Geggster.
Hoomin is now the automatic selection.
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Pippy offers Ironjaw and Blitzwing.
Valen selects Blitzwing to play Hoomin.
Ironjaw is now the automatic selection, etc.
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When you add in the races as well it makes for a tactical decision by the captains in influencing the tournament (more than just selecting the teams before the event)

[Thadrin]

I like that idea (hang on...me over Hoomin? you sure?)