Garrick wrote:David, you took the argument to a silly place not me, that is usually done when coherent argument is no longer available, after doing that you cannot back track and demand a coherent argument from me as you have already lost. Love and Kisses, GrahamLoki wrote:To me it sounds less like you want to make a coherent argument that 11 before stars is restrictive and spoils variety with total disregard to the cash available and more like you want to pick and choose what gets pulled through from CRP to tournaments and your view is the only correct one.Garrick wrote:When you get this kind of response, you know you have already won your argument
As on other debated points, I agree all TO's should think about what they a setting up and blind adherence is a problem
PS I sincerely hope ALL rules are pulled through from CRP to tournaments and then modified by the tournament specific rules. I was just pointing out a rule in CRP that is "commonly misunderstood to exist" does not and that a tournament specific rule would not be required if it did. I specifically disagree with that tournament specific rule but it has never been a CRP rule.
PPS I totally agree with "all TO's should think about what they a setting up and blind adherence is a problem" and I was using this specific tournament rule as an example.
PPPS My favourite bugbear right now is that 2 tournaments in Scotland are going with 4 single and 2 double skills / no more that 2 of any skill which favours Undead and Wood Elves, and we all know that they need a leg up to compete!
Graham I think we should probably debate the place of humour in rhetoric at some other point.Darkson wrote:How has it never been a CRP rule?Garrick wrote:I was just pointing out a rule in CRP that is "commonly misunderstood to exist" does not and that a tournament specific rule would not be required if it did. I specifically disagree with that tournament specific rule but it has never been a CRP rule.
P.16 of the CRP:
"In addition,
your team must have at least 11 players and may not have more than 16."
Stars are Inducements, and you don't get inducements until the pre-game of your first match, so Stars can't count towards the 11.
Suffice to say that it's not the point Darkson has raised that I disagree with. You feel compelled to address an issue you have seen, so do I. What I contend is that your equivalence of tournament and league set up rules is sophistry. You can't have it both ways, either you need stick to 1M GC and adherent rules for a 'league' style set-up or let the diversity of tournament set-ups run.
It's fine to challenge lazy behavior, but ultimately sticking with what you are suggesting creates it's own problem. If you are increasing the tournament buy-in above the standard League 1M, the 11 rostered players then stars 'buy in' actually models the original league rules more closely than giving +1M but still letting you have a star before purchasing 11 players. Giving 1.1M or 1.2M but keeping 10 players + star makes it easier to have the Stars. It's personal preference if you want to make Stars more or less accessible in your tournament, some don't want stars in their tournament hence the outright ban in some tournaments.