Non WFB fluff Woodies

Robotorz · Post by **Robotorz** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:55 pm

I think the only thing the treeman does is save some elves from dying (and save them some turn from dodging away from Krox and stuff like that)
But if you use him for anything other than that the Treeman is just a useless pile of wood. You can outrunn him with EVERYTHING (exept mummies and -1mv Dwarfs)
My best friend has a pretty decent WE team and he uses his Treeman for defence only. ST7, Block, Guard makes him the best LOS Big Guy I have ever seen (as long as he does not hit the ground)!

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:56 pm

yer but blood bowl is now under the wing of fantatic and they can do as they please and the blood bowl fans want it as blood bowl not a feeder for warhammer (which it can still do)

TeLef0n0 · Post by **TeLef0n0** » Fri May 09, 2003 9:21 pm

I still say that would be solved by coming out with a new title for all frenzied players (including norse blitzers).

I like that idea. Then it will be easy to pull all players from similarly named positions. Then we can get rid of stupid names likes the ones on the High Elves...

btw... Dont change the WD, its fine as it is, and dont ever think about giving 4 WD-type players to the team...

Talafar · Post by **Talafar** » Fri May 09, 2003 9:52 pm

wesleytj wrote:no you can't take my wardancers. they are my favorite position! why does everything have to be weakened in lrb bb? leave the teams alone...they're balanced!!

I do not think the teams are balanced. Why should Wood Elves be allowed to have a big guy while HE and DE cannot? You cannot argue that it is because of balance, because the WE roster is equal without the treeman.
Burn the treeman

Or you could just give the High Elves (and I suppose Dark Elves) a big guy...

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Fri May 09, 2003 10:17 pm

Talafar wrote:
wesleytj wrote:no you can't take my wardancers. they are my favorite position! why does everything have to be weakened in lrb bb? leave the teams alone...they're balanced!!

I do not think the teams are balanced. Why should Wood Elves be allowed to have a big guy while HE and DE cannot? You cannot argue that it is because of balance, because the WE roster is equal without the treeman.
Burn the treeman
Or you could just give the High Elves (and I suppose Dark Elves) a big guy...

the high and dark elf rosters were compensated for the lack of big guys with extra catchers (high elves) and extra blitzers (dark elves)...tbh i think the high and dark elves get the better end of that deal.

and yes i do think they are balanced. no high and dark elves don't need big guys.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Fri May 09, 2003 10:23 pm

Talafar wrote:I do not think the teams are balanced. Why should Wood Elves be allowed to have a big guy while HE and DE cannot? You cannot argue that it is because of balance, because the WE roster is equal without the treeman.
Burn the treeman

That's the whole point of the original post. The treeman should be on the Wood Elf team just because he's a tree, but this creates a balance issue. That's why I suggested changing the overpowered wardancer (stupid name anyway) to just a blitzer with block and dodge (no leap).

Talafar · Post by **Talafar** » Fri May 09, 2003 11:00 pm

Fair enough Torq, but a lot of people quite like the wardancer. I think it would be far better both in "fluff" terms and game balance, to remove the Treeman. This will force the Wood Elves to play even more of a dodging game, and will fit their character better, as well as bringing them to the same level as the other elven teams.

Post by **Thadrin** » Sat May 10, 2003 6:19 am

I would like to do away with NEARLY all the WFB names. Trollslayers and Witch Elves would stay because I can't come up with a suitable 2nd ed. style position namefor them, but they do fit on the teams.

Runners should stay Runners. I wouldn't mind switching Pass for Sure Hands on the DE throwers and renaming them runners...but thats a small change. Ghouls could be Runners too, or possibly catchers. The title of runner should exist to cover the races who have these hybrid thrower-catcher players or just to reflect how the players should fluffwise be used.

I don't agree with any change to the Wood Elf Blitzer (

) even though I hate them with a passion.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Sat May 10, 2003 8:01 am

Changing the WE blitzers

was just an idea thrown out there, never expect it to happen. Just making the observation that the only reason they have leap is to fit the WFB fluff on wardancers. Anyway, good to see someone else is behind getting rid of the WFB inspired names (and I don't have any problem with anything you suggested). As far as frenzied players (TS, WitchElf), the suggestion of having a position called Berserker isn't all that bad (I guess Norse blitzers would then be more accurately called Norse Berserkers).

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Sat May 10, 2003 1:09 pm

Torg wrote:Changing the WE blitzers was just an idea thrown out there, never expect it to happen. Just making the observation that the only reason they have leap is to fit the WFB fluff on wardancers.

Or, to give the wood elves one of the best blitzers in the game as a unique team feature.
I'm sorry that I have to say this but it would be extremely boring if the difference between high elf and wood elf blitzers would be only that High elves have AV8 and wood elves MA8 and dodge.

By all means, call them blitzers (I'm all for that change too) but let them keep leap and stay as they are.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat May 10, 2003 4:11 pm

I'd like to see all the WFB removed from BB, and go back to Blitzer, Blocker, etc, with the addition of runner. TBH, having not faced a HE team regularly, and not playing WFB, I can't remember the names of the HE players, yet I have no trouble with the players in a DE team, who have the same stat line. Go figure

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Sat May 10, 2003 4:54 pm

And just to confirm that no-one got a wrong impression: I definitely belong to the group of people who want to get the WHFB names removed from BB.
Slayers and witch elves could be Berserkers in my opinion.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Sat May 10, 2003 6:31 pm

I will concede to the majority, just change the names and keep the stats as they are, can we all agree on this (other than Wes, the WFB whore - this is meant to be a joke so don't take it personally)? With the new minis going back to the 2ed cyber fantasy style, I think that if we had a set of titles that were similar title as 2ed it would add more clearity to the game. The titles I would suggest (from what was stated in this thread);

Lineman (basic stats and no starting skills GEN access), Catcher (catch and/or dodge AG), Thrower (Pass with or without surehands PA), Runner (surehands PA), Blitzer (block and/or surefeet ST), Blocker (most BGs and those who start with higher than average ST and or thick skull ST), Berserker (frenzy and/or jump up ST).

From this we can see that pretty much all positions can fit into these basic titles, of course some existing positions with change in terms of title. Dwarf Longbeards have the same stats and skills as the CD blockers and thus should be called Dwarf Blockers (not linemen), hobgobs would be the "lineman" position on the CD team and witch elf, slayers, Norse blitzers would become Berserkers, BCs would be (rightfully) blitzers.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat May 10, 2003 6:57 pm

So the Norse team would be:-

0-2 Catchers
0-2 Throwers
0-4 Berserkers
0-12 Blitzers (well, they start with Block

)

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Sat May 10, 2003 7:02 pm

I still don't understand why you hate WFB names so much. It must be a veterans' thing (I'm calling "veternas" to the guys who started on the 2nd or 1st ed. as opposed to me and many others who started with the 3rd ed.). Or, it may be that I got started with WFB and then went to Blood Bowl. I feel comfortable with WFB based names and I feel no need to changing them.
And returning to the starting topic, I don't care if the Wardancer (it is shorter than Wood Elf blitzer) loses leap or not. Either way, elves will still suck (It has nothing to do with game balance or anything- it is just my healthy and senseless hate to all of those pointy eared scum).