Which Team List is better ?

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:26 pm

i like list a better in theory, without all the extra house rule stuff.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:26 pm

yer they are out of date now anyway the position for them is star player now

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:28 pm

Toby wrote:Guys, you really piss me of.

It is "mucking" irrelevant if the Troll is assigned the Position "Blocker", "Big Guy" or "ALPHA".

The relevant hing is that you are allowed only one ALPHA and 6 BETAS on that team. If you fail to understand the improvements because you like the word "Blitzer" better than "Kinght" then you are not on an intelectual level of a person i apreciate to talk with.

Bye.

the problem is you've bundled 10 rules irellevant rules changes into your example for the question. it confuses people because they aren't sure what you're talking about. i followed it, but only because i've read some of your ideas presented elsewhere. but not everyone here has. it's certainly no reason to be rude about it.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:34 pm

Grumbledook wrote:yer they are out of date now anyway the position for them is star player now

Exactly, the current LRB stars could be integrated this way...

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Human Starplayer Legend 8448 Dodge,Block,Leap,Sprint,Sure Feet,Star 180K Peaked

Special: "Star"
This player can only be freebooted. No position limit applies to Starplayers, but every Star Player can only be hired once and only by one team.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Fri May 09, 2003 7:15 pm

Reorganised Team List with LRB 2.0 Star Player System:

Team List A

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Although Human teams do not have the individual strengths or outstanding abilities available to other races, they do not suffer from any outstanding weakness either. This makes Human teams extremely flexible, equally at home running the ball, passing it, or ignoring it and pounding the opposition into the turf instead!

Human Teams field up to 12 Linemen, 4 Catchers, 4 Knights, 2 Throwers and 1 Big Guy.

50K Team Reroll
50K Team Wizard
50K Apothecary
                                 
Race   Position   Stats    Skills,Traits & Specials  Cost Category
------------------------------------------------------------------
Human  Catcher    8|2|3|7  Dodge,Catch                70K GE,AG
Human  Blitzer    7|3|3|8  Block                      90K GE,ST
Human  Lineman    6|3|3|8                             50K GE,SW
Human  Thrower    6|3|3|8  Sure Hands,Pass            70K GE,PA

Ogre   Big Guy    5|5|2|9  Mighty Blow               120K GE,ST

Ogre   Starplayer 6|6|3|10 Mighty Blow,Block         190K Peaked
Undead Starplayer 6|4|4|9  Block,Dodge,Hypnotic Gaze 180K Peaked
Human  Starplayer 8|4|4|8  Block,Dodge,Sprint,Leap   180K Peaked
Human  Starplayer 4|5|2|9  Block,Mighty Blow         120K Peaked

Race   Characteristics
-----------------------------------
Ogre   Big Guy,Bone Head,Thick Skull
Undead Regeneration

Secret Weapons  Cost  Penalty
-----------------------------
Chainsaw         30K  8+

No Position Limit applies to Starplayers. See LRB 2.0 for detailed Starplayer Rules.

CHANGE REQUIRED
Racial Characteristics must be added to all respective Starplayers.

Ithilkir · Post by **Ithilkir** » Fri May 09, 2003 7:26 pm

Toby wrote:If you fail to understand the improvements because you like the word "Blitzer" better than "Kinght" then you are not on an intelectual level of a person i apreciate to talk with.

There's a sig quote in that...

Ithilkir · Post by **Ithilkir** » Fri May 09, 2003 7:29 pm

However, this last layout I do like (not including your own personal modifications to the rules)

BlanchPrez · Post by **BlanchPrez** » Fri May 09, 2003 7:37 pm

Ithilkir wrote:However, this last layout I do like (not including your own personal modifications to the rules)

I agree with that statement. Looks good.

Chris

Ithilkir · Post by **Ithilkir** » Fri May 09, 2003 7:48 pm

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Although Human teams do not have the individual strengths or outstanding abilities available to other races, they do not suffer from any outstanding weakness either. This makes Human teams extremely flexible, equally at home running the ball, passing it, or ignoring it and pounding the opposition into the turf instead! 

Human rosters can consist of up to 12 Linemen, 4 Catchers, 4 Blitzers, 2 Throwers and 1 Ogre upto a maximum of 16 players on the roster in total. 

Position   M|S|A|AV  Skills,Traits & Specials  Cost Category 
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Lineman    6|3|3|8                              50K GE
Catcher    8|2|3|7   Dodge,Catch                70K GE,AG 
Thrower    6|3|3|8   Sure Hands,Pass            70K GE,PA 
Blitzer    7|3|3|8   Block                      90K GE,ST 
Ogre       5|5|2|9   Bone Head, Thick Skull    120K GE,ST
                     Mighty Blow, TTM, Big Guy

Team Reroll: 50,000   Apothecary: 50,000   Wizard: 50,000 (Freebooted only)

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wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Fri May 09, 2003 7:49 pm

there ya go...best one i've seen yet.

Moonsong · Post by **Moonsong** » Fri May 09, 2003 11:11 pm

Toby wrote: (who wants to have the excel file ? ^^)

Me, please!

moonsong@galactica.it

Looks interesting, but needs a good look.

Moonsong

Moonsong · Post by **Moonsong** » Fri May 09, 2003 11:17 pm

Toby wrote:Black Orc Blocker = Black Orc Basher (he lacks Block, so he bashes)

ROTFL

Post by **Thadrin** » Sat May 10, 2003 6:34 am

I think all this stuff with Big guys getting position names and substituting and so on could very easily get wildly overcomplicated, as you try and accomodate all the races.

I like Ithilkir's list myself.

I'm not really sure if what Toby is suggesting is really anything more than collecting all possible purchases - including all the apothecaries and so on - in one slightly expanded list...I may be wrong here. I got a bit lost because of all the stuff about Toby's pre-purchased star stuff (I'm not 100% against the idea Toby, but I think we need to take your ideas on their own before we integrate everything you've done into the cohesive mass you seem to have on the legendary excel file.)

One thing I am against is adding any more position titles. Big Guys - if they must have a poition - should be Blockers. The problem there is calling the Chaos Dwarfs Blockers, when a big guy should really sub for a BC, who is a Blitzer to my mind...there's the complexity I talked about kicking in.

I dunno. My opinion is probably not the best right now because I'm slightly hungover after a night of Whisky, an approximation of dancing and only four hours sleep.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Sat May 10, 2003 12:39 pm

Ithilkir wrote:

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Although Human teams do not have the individual strengths or outstanding abilities available to other races, they do not suffer from any outstanding weakness either. This makes Human teams extremely flexible, equally at home running the ball, passing it, or ignoring it and pounding the opposition into the turf instead! 

Human rosters can consist of up to 12 Linemen, 4 Catchers, 4 Blitzers, 2 Throwers and 1 Ogre upto a maximum of 16 players on the roster in total. 

Position   M|S|A|AV  Skills,Traits & Specials  Cost Category 
----------------------------------------------------------- 
Lineman    6|3|3|8                              50K GE
Catcher    8|2|3|7   Dodge,Catch                70K GE,AG 
Thrower    6|3|3|8   Sure Hands,Pass            70K GE,PA 
Blitzer    7|3|3|8   Block                      90K GE,ST 
Ogre       5|5|2|9   Bone Head, Thick Skull    120K GE,ST
                     Mighty Blow, TTM, Big Guy

Team Reroll: 50,000   Apothecary: 50,000   Wizard: 50,000 (Freebooted only)

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It took me 1 Year to design the Team Lists. Now, they are close to perfect. The work, the change only a absolute minimum of rules, i.e Thick Skull needs to be a Racial Characteristic.

You suggestion looks like one of the first pencil drawings I did one Year ago while Brobsing LRB and being pissed by refering to Big Guys as allies.

You are approximately 11 Month away from a working System. Unless you want to re-invent the Wheel, take mine. Until then, people who would use your list for a Chaos team would get one Ogre, One Minotaur, and One Troll. Not sure if you care about balance concerns, but in this case, I do.

If you want to contribute, i suggest helping me with the restructuring of the Skills & Traits section, that is next.

You are so fast tearing appart my ideas, which i put effort in. As usual, if people are ask to make it better they fail completely. Your list is like me telling Peter Forsberg how to score.

But as long as you have to call a Blitzer a Knight, the System of course is Broken. Man, you are so redicolous in my eyes.

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Sat May 10, 2003 1:32 pm

Only thing ridiculous around here is your attitude, Toby. When you get your act together and understand the fact that people can oppose your ideas without being morons you can start to expect that people give your ideas serious consideration.

Your ideas are very computerlike and exact, germanic if I may say so.
However, none of them are absolutely necessary. I'm the first to admit that the LRB needs reworking and that the team rosters could be perhaps improved, but the fact remains that the current rules work fine too and achieve everything that your lists do, with only little more effort.

But on the whole, keep your own house rules out of the lists and rather remove WHFB fluff position names than add more of them and the lists would be a small improvement for the LRB.