Another "Useless" Ageing Post

Warprat · Post by **Warprat** » Mon May 12, 2003 12:03 am

After all the Polls and such, I can see there is no "one" ageing system that pleases anything close to a majority of the coaches on this board.

So, after reading the other useless ideas out there I decided to try and "Brainstorm" some more useless ideas no one had thought of yet.

Here goes...

Useless Idea #1)

The Old Codger speaks.

"I've learned a lot during my career boys, but now this bum knee has finally done me in. Remember all the tricks I taught you Young Blood. Keep your head down, Clutsey. Oh yeh, Limp Wrist, here's my lucky spiky bit, you need it more than me now. Well, that's it then, rock their world Whippersnappers"

Retire a player and allow 1/4 of thier SPP's to be distributed to any other players.

Well, OK I can only think of one "useless" idea at the moment... But I'm sure I can think up some more later...

If anyone out there has thier own "useless" idea, feel free to post it here. I only ask one thing. In the spirt of "useless" ideas, please have a player quote that backs up your own "useless" idea. Like my -The Old Codger Speaks-.

Please don't comment on any "useless" ideas here. Ageing has been commented to death already. If you find a "useless" idea posted here that you feel is not "useless", post it in a new topic. Any ideas posted here must be of the "useless" sort, backed up by some sort of player quote. No comments, only "useless" ideas, please...

Warprat ;)

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon May 12, 2003 2:54 am

from what i've seen on fumbbl.com, I think ageing is working just fine. Yeah some people get mad when they roll a 2 on their first skill but it happens. Not everyone has the right stuff to be a star. They're called Busts....like in the NFL only about 1 in 3 first round picks are actually worth the drafting in the position.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Mon May 12, 2003 3:17 am

GKEN1, NAIL, HEAD

Bravo!

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Mon May 12, 2003 5:09 am

no really aging is not working the way it is. I am not one of those coaches who think that there should be no aging at all I just think that this is not the right way to go about it.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon May 12, 2003 5:50 am

how would you say it isn't working? once a player gets 1 or 2 niggles he becomes a liabilty. thus forcing the coach to choose to keep him or retire the player. this forces player turnover within the league without adding something else to keep track of.
When You say it isn't working are you saying it because it doesn't force enough player turnover or you just don't like having your players niggled?

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Mon May 12, 2003 5:57 am

It's working mathematically, but it's not working in that 90% of the coaches don't like it. There needs to be a mechanic that coaches will not completely hate.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon May 12, 2003 6:33 am

I don't think anybody likes their players getting niggled. When mine get niggled due to aging I just accept it. Anything that forces a player to get a niggler or stat decrease or overall makes their player worse will be seen in the same light as aging. I think ageing works fine and should be kept the way it is. Maybe it should just have a name change...I think the biggest problem people have is they can't see how their player is "aging" after a game or two. Maybe it should be called "not the right stuff" or "he's a bust"

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Mon May 12, 2003 6:37 am

How about when your 26 SPP troll gets an MVP and becomes ST4 because of it? Do you still like that? That happened to me a couple months ago.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Mon May 12, 2003 12:36 pm

If every player continued to accelerate growth, and the only way to get rid of them was through on field death, we'd end up with 400 rated teams. Aging is the price we pay to keep game balance and be able to have a league go on for an unlimited number of games.

If people really think that having their big guys age is destroying their team, then I think it's a sign that big guys are too powerful.

Mirascael · Post by **Mirascael** » Mon May 12, 2003 2:03 pm

Current ageing is dysfunctional:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=playe ... r_id=82883

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Mon May 12, 2003 2:26 pm

Because a player made it to legend without aging, this proves that the aging system is dysfunctional? What is your reasoning there?

Players have a chance to avoid aging, and that's a good thing. We would hear a lot more complaints about the aging system if aging was mandatory after 5 skills. There are something like 1,500 active teams in that league, right? I'd expect some players to beat the odds when there are that many competing.

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Mon May 12, 2003 2:51 pm

Mirascael, you didn't send that here seriously, did you?

Survival without aging:
3+ = 35/36
4+ = 33/36
5+ = 30/36
6+ = 26/36
7+ = 21/36
8+ = 15/36
9+ = 10/36

translates to
2837835000 / 78364164096 = 3,6%

So if out of 1000 players who've reached Legend status you got 36 players who got that far without aging you're saying that aging isn't working? Sorry, but there has to be a chance of a player making it there without aging. Otherwise the system will be hated even more than it is now.
Seriously, it's a really weak argument against something if you send a link to a player that is a statistical inevitability in a league that has over 8000 teams.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Mon May 12, 2003 3:17 pm

i don't have a problem with players reaching legend without aging, its the fact they are then untouchable from it from that point onwards

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon May 12, 2003 3:59 pm

its not like they can't be hurt anymore. Legends die too. yeah it might take a blitz to hit a one turner but theres' still a chance and it is possible. Also these are the players that go to the hall of fame...i would hope that they ARE good

Snarlton Heston · Post by **Snarlton Heston** » Mon May 12, 2003 5:04 pm

Can't you get the first skill for free and begin the age requirements on the second skill?

Just a thought!

Snarlton
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