Which Dark Elf Team List? (new post)

Post by **Thadrin** » Fri May 16, 2003 1:11 pm

D - but AG or ST on the blitzers, not both.

I could live with the runner getting +1MA in exchange for not having Passing access, but I'd rather not.

Snarlton Heston · Post by **Snarlton Heston** » Fri May 16, 2003 1:50 pm

May Ba-al bless Sushe Wakka!

Snarlton Heston
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Live long and prosper!

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Fri May 16, 2003 3:29 pm

roysorlie wrote:
Zombie wrote:I don't like either. Blitzers should not have access to strength skills, and should not start with mighty blow. The team shouldn't have 5 different positions available, and assassins have no place playing Blood Bowl.
How constructive.

It is. It means that imo, throwers should be turned into runners, and if you want strength access, the only not unbalancing way i could see to achieve this is to give it to witch elves and take away their general skill access, like i already said before. Or maybe just take away the two throwers and replace them with two more witch elves. That would make them bashier.

Just none of the crap posted in the poll.

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Fri May 16, 2003 7:34 pm

can't really take general skill access away. generally no player starts with skills they could never get...witch elves have 2 general traits, skills they could never have gotten. plus i'd never go for it because a witch elf who can't get dauntless, and has to roll doubles for block, is just no good to anybody, whether they could then get mighty blow and guard or not.

witch elves got a LOT weaker between 3rd ed and LRB, why make them weaker still?

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Fri May 16, 2003 7:45 pm

First, witch elves have a general trait, an agility trait and an agility skill. So you're wrong on that count.

Second, there are already players who start with traits they couldn't get otherwise. Norse blitzers could never get jump up if they didn't start with it.

Third, witch elves got stronger in the LRB, not weaker. They used to have a formidable trait in frenzy, but everyone else could have it on their first roll. Now, they have two traits that other players need to roll doubles to get.

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Fri May 16, 2003 7:49 pm

sorry i was thinking 2 gen. traits for some reason.

and no, witch elves definitely got weaker, not stronger. frenzy is not nearly as cool as it used to be, and they have to roll doubles to get dauntless. that's weaker.

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Fri May 16, 2003 11:01 pm

Skummy, Snarlton, whenever you're ready, we can take the next step...
Oh, and if you can, avoid skull crushing while on the proccess... We'll need the pointy eared scum heads to use as replacement balls. Who knows? Maybe the pointy ears make the ball more aerodynamic.
And I let all of the presents know that they can join our fair and noble crusade of clearing the Blood Bowl pitches of the hated and cursed pointy eared rubbish, so we all can see once again what true Blood Bowl is: An endless Slugfest with heads flying to the Touchdown Zone!

(Note: Rosroylie, I hope you don't mind this reply off topic... But I know any and every wise man will tell you that "The only good elf is the dead elf!")

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Fri May 16, 2003 11:06 pm

The NBA is behind your cause, other than cursing Nuffle, killing elves is what we like to do.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Fri May 16, 2003 11:40 pm

wesleytj wrote:sorry i was thinking 2 gen. traits for some reason.

and no, witch elves definitely got weaker, not stronger. frenzy is not nearly as cool as it used to be, and they have to roll doubles to get dauntless. that's weaker.

Everyone else also has to roll doubles to get dauntless now, so they didn't get weaker compared to the other players. With your line of thinking, all players in the game were made weaker, because many skills were brought down in power. But you have to think about this in a relative manner. Did witch elves get better or stronger compared to the other players in the game? Definitely stronger.

Frenzy is still good enough that many players hope for a double to get it, but unless they get that double, they'll never have it. And even if they do roll that double, it will mean one less trait they'll be able to have by using up the double for frenzy. Even if witch elves didn't start with frenzy and were merely allowed to take it without rolling a double (while other players couldn't), that would still make them better. But it's even better than that: they start with it!

Of course, at 0 SPPs, witch elves are now weaker than they were, because their starting skills got weaker. But at 6 SPPs and above, they got better relatively to any blitzers in the game, or anyone else who starts with block (because they can't have frenzy by 6 SPPs anymore, while witch elves are sure to have it). By 16 SPPs, they're relatively improved compared to any player in the game who only has access to general skills, because those players would have taken block and frenzy before, but can't anymore, while witch elves still can and do.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat May 17, 2003 12:35 am

Torg wrote:The NBA is behind your cause, other than cursing Nuffle, killing elves is what we like to do.

Don't forget killing them stupid "Big Hats".

P.S. I forgot to add that in my vote for D I'd also remove AG from the Blitzers if they got ST.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Sat May 17, 2003 2:19 am

Right, forgot....death to the "Big Hats" too.

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Sat May 17, 2003 9:19 am

Torg, Darkson, and the rest of the blasphemers, I welcome your help against the pointy eared scum. However, I'll ask you that no Nuffle cursing during the proccess (the elves will curse a lot, anyway), as I want to keep the good name of an Angry mob, and I do not want to get involved in politics. So no blasphemies during The Great Slaughter, please.
Oh, and do not mess with the Chaos Dwarves. At least, not when I'm present.

(I think we should start an Off Topic thread and move these posts there, and stop ruining Rosroylie's poll).

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Sat May 17, 2003 11:35 am

I didn't vote this time.

I prefer:
Give ST to darkie blitzers. (So - G, AG and ST).
To make up for this, remove PA access from the team - by replacing the throwers with "runners" (just linemen with sure hands).

They shouldn't be getting something for nothing.
Martin

Twist · Post by **Twist** » Sun May 18, 2003 2:48 am

Wheres the option where you keep it as is, with Throwers?

roysorlie · Post by **roysorlie** » Mon May 19, 2003 7:05 am

Ok, look. Dark Elves are already the "worst" Of the elf teams, they are the slowest, and can't under any circumstances develope 1 turn scorers.

The difference is not a big one, but I would bet my money on a high, or woodelf team to beat a dark elf team any day. (depending on coaches of course).

No elf coach on the planet, would want to lose AG access on a blitzer, or Ge access on Witch Elves, in return for ST access. It's not even close to worth it. Doing so would only make the team worse off then they are now, and so, will fall more behind Woodies and Helfs.

So It's not an option.

I'm wishing I never made the damn post. I just woke up all the elf haters, would do nothing but bitch and complain about elves, because they obviously can't play properly against them.

I'd rather keep the Dark Elves the way they are, then let all the pessimists here destroy them. And never mind they play almost exactly like the Helfs.

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