Gig Guys, tell me how distribute them!

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Mon May 19, 2003 1:14 am

Barbarian:

5/5/2/8
Mighty Blow, Frenzy, Horns, Thick Skull, Wild Animal
GE, ST

Thrud Portrait, Thrud Gif's.

Replaces the Minotaur on the Norse Team.
Theres no change since Data is identicall exept Barabarian has no acces to Physical Traits.

Like it ?

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Mon May 19, 2003 2:08 am

How about Torg's portrait?

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:45 am

Toby, that is one of those things that you are free to do. Nobody in the BBRC or at any tournie is going to stop you from using a barbarian big guy instead of a minotaur. Just write Barbarian in the position slot and use the mini (at tournie use the proper minis or convos) and if you roll a double just don't take a physical trait.
No need for a new rule.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Mon May 19, 2003 7:12 am

Please look in your zBigUnsDemo.html in the Teams folder. These are the Big Guys in JBB.

Here's where I am so far:

Barbarian (Human, Norse), Machine (Dwarf), Vampire (Undead).
Troll (Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Goblin, Orc), Treeman (Halfling, Wood Elf)
Rat Ogre (Scaven), Minotaur (Chaos, Chaos Dwarf), Kroxigor (Lizardmen).

NOW. 1.000.000 € Question:

Ogre? LRB Says "Chaos, Dwarf, Goblin, Halfling, Human, Norse, Orc"
I am tempted to go for it and make some changes at this point...

Heres my suggestion: "Human, Norse".
Dwarves got the Roller.
Chaos should use a Minotaur or Troll.
Goblin, Halfling, Orc should use Trolls.

As you can see, other then implementing the Barbarian, i changed nothing so far. And I insist on the Barbarian ^^.

Now, go ahead. What about the Ogre?
The one thing I'm sure is that i will never use a Troll if i could have an Ogre...

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Mon May 19, 2003 7:16 am

Ok...I don't play javabowl. I just think that it's a waste of time to use a whole position when you can just change the use the mino and change the pic.

Post by **Thadrin** » Mon May 19, 2003 8:58 am

Dark Lord wrote:Toby, that is one of those things that you are free to do. Nobody in the BBRC or at any tournie is going to stop you from using a barbarian big guy instead of a minotaur. Just write Barbarian in the position slot and use the mini (at tournie use the proper minis or convos) and if you roll a double just don't take a physical trait.
No need for a new rule.

I doubt that anyone at an official GW bash would object to you saying "he's a barbarian - counts as a minotaur ok?" as long as it was a GW fig. As I understand it they even actively encourage people thinking outside the box like that. AS long as its clear what is what on the board you're ok.

Mirascael · Post by **Mirascael** » Mon May 19, 2003 9:02 am

Toby wrote:Goblin, Halfling, Orc should use Trolls.

Now that's a revolutionary suggestion!
The Trolls should like the extended menu though. After all, Halflings provide some very impportant proteins

.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Mon May 19, 2003 4:07 pm

they should use da otha guy who's not dad good ^^

Post by **Dave** » Mon May 19, 2003 6:29 pm

Dark Lord wrote:
Dave wrote:no they shouldn't.

otherwise elf teams need ST4 AV9 players as well. Difference is fun. (I agree however that perhaps a team taking a BG should be 'punished' fo that; have less position players FOR EXAMPLE)
Why do elf teams need that? I'm not sure what you mean. Are you agreeing that they shouldn't be limited to damage inflictors? or are you disagreeing?
"no they shouldn't"... be limited...or be redone?
And woodies do have a damage causing big guy. It's a treeman.
What I'm saying is that each team should get something. Elf teams could get something agile and/or fast. Something like a slightly nerfed Griff Oberwald. Whatever, I don't have any prototypes. I'm just saying that the current concept was made by ppl who are notorious for broken rules.
maybe we should not be so close minded about developing new "big guys" or the use of their racial characteristics, skills, etc.
Why are we limited to Trolls, Ogres, Minotaurs, Kroxigors, and Rat Ogres? because Joe Dimwit the mail order troll said so? or because the 3rd edition broken Star Players said so?
All of the core teams were balanced before these additions so logically all of them could get some sort of "big guy" without upsetting the balance.

(sorry for the big quote)

I only responded to you saying ogres should be available to more team.
I disagree with that, even think they should be trimmed down.
I like the fact that some teams can get ST5 (even if it's really stupid) and some can't (please remove the tree from Welfs)

It adds flavour AND makes taking the ogre in any team a less no - brainer. I see too many right now. (IMHO) I really, really like the fact that some teams don't get ST5 (or AG4, or Block, or ...) as a big part of my fun is making the team win despite these apparent handicaps.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Thu May 22, 2003 7:00 am

Barbarian (Human, Norse) 110K
5|5|2|8 Big Guy, Frenzy, Horns, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, Wild Animal (GE,ST)

Machine (Dwarf) 160K
4|7|1|10 Break Tackle, Mighty Blow, Multiple Block, Stand Firm

Vampire (Undead) 160K
6|4|4|8 Hypnotic Gaze, Off for a Bite, Regenerate (GE,ST,AG)

Troll (Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Goblin, Orc) 100K
4|5|1|9 Always Hungry, Big Guy, Mighty Blow, Really Stupid, Regenerate, Throw Team Mate (GE,ST)

Treeman (Halfling, Wood Elf) 110K
2|6|1|10 Big Guy, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm, Thick Skull, Take Root, Throw Team Mate (GE,ST)

Rat Ogre (Skaven) 130K
6|5|3|8 Big Guy, Mighty Blow, Frenzy, Prehensile Tail, Wild Animal (GE,ST,PH)

Minotaur (Chaos, Chaos Dwarf) 110K
5|5|2|8 Big Guy, Mighty Blow, Frenzy, Horns, Thick Skull, Wild Animal (GE,ST,PH)

Kroxigor (Lizardmen) 130K
6|5|1|9 Big Guy, Bone Head, Mighty Blow, Prehensile Tail, Thick Skull, (GE,ST)

Ogre (Human, Norse) 120K
5|5|2|9 Big Guy, Bone Head, Throw Teammate Mighty Blow, Thick Skull (GE,ST)

*PUSH* Anybody who likes this list ?

Post by **Thadrin** » Thu May 22, 2003 7:50 am

Give the Norse the mino instead of the Ogre.
Allow Chaos an Ogre or a mino, but no Troll.
Tempted to remove the mino from the CDs but I'm biased there (my TT league's CD team has an extremely nasty Mino).

Sixpack595 · Post by **Sixpack595** » Thu May 22, 2003 8:17 am

Norse are pretty crappy as it is, at least throw them a bone and give a better selection of Big Guys: Mino, Ogre, Barbarian...Vampire too, since I think Vamps should be OK on any human team...but if very sunny is rolled for the weather result and a Vamp is on the field, they die.

Edit: ok, at least roll an injury for each one. My 1st idea would be too brutal for the new Vamp team!

Post by **Dave** » Thu May 22, 2003 12:57 pm

you might want to change the barbarian to AV8 or 120K (compared to the mino)

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Thu May 22, 2003 1:10 pm

Oh, sorry, that is a typo. The Barbarian is meant to be identical to the Mino exept Physical Traits, and AH/TTM. I edited him.

Snarlton Heston · Post by **Snarlton Heston** » Thu May 22, 2003 8:27 pm

Allow the Ogre on Chaos.....and give us SOMEONE to throw!

Snarlton Heston
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