general conclusion= Big guys+Piling On=Unbalanced

WildAnimal · Post by **WildAnimal** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:35 pm

general conclusion= Big guys+Piling On=Unbalanced

YES i think Big guys with Piling On are crazy, i'm not talking about if Piling on is chosen before or after the roll.

I have played in Fumbbl for a while now, its like that Big guys have to most SPP, and th top Big guys ALWAYS have Piling on, ive seen a Rat ogre with +ST, PO and horns...... that +7 on AV rolls when blitzing....
Then hes MB always are used on injury roll.

Somebody stop Big-guys and Piling On......

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:43 pm

horns desn't get added on for piling on, same with dauntless

its also a well known fact piling on is broken in its current form which is why if you would do a search there are lots of threads on the subject already and why its going to be changed in some way or another come the rules review on october

WildAnimal · Post by **WildAnimal** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:50 pm

Its broken alright, BUT when combined with a ST5 player with MB, its crazy.......
Restriction on PO i want....

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:02 pm

Yes, do a search and you'll have something to read

So far there are a number of suggestions:

decide to use PO before AV roll or
make it a trait or
make it ST:2 rounded up or
a mix of the above

anyway, it had been added to the BBRC hot list 2003...

My opinion is to make it a trait AND ST:2 rounded up, but you may still decide to use it after the AV roll. Tht should solve the problem...

Post by **Dave** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:22 pm

agreed

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:52 pm

I don't agree with the strength bieng halved. for the players who aren't big guys the skill would become pointless. I think if you change it back to deciding before the AV is rolled then it is fine. We never had a problem with it in our league untill the rule was changed and now it is a big problem.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:00 pm

Halved and rounded up, it still gives a +2 to break through the armor for a ST 3 player. That's still very good (claw level), but with the added disadvantage of taking yourself down in the process.

Dragoonkin · Post by **Dragoonkin** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 4:20 pm

I always liked the option of adds your Strength to the roll, to a max of three. That way, Big Guys get the same bonus as any other player...and +3 makes it better than Claw, but gives it a disadvantage for that.

You can't make it inferior to Claw, without making the skill pointless for most of the teams that stack on it (Chaos, hitty Skaven).

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 4:29 pm

The poll is quite clear, and since the BBRC has asked Galak to test it, i'm pretty sure that piling on will just be changed back to how it was before, which is plenty enough.

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 6:10 pm

I prefer it just be changed back as i am sure it will be. But if I had to choose between teh things said here I would take the add strength up to 3 over the half stregth. I don't think it should be on the same level as claw if there is also a downside to the skill.

Snarlton Heston · Post by **Snarlton Heston** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 4:21 pm

(Snarlton approaches the podium with a chair and megaphone. He places the chair behind the podium and scrambles up it. He then jumps up onto the podium and adjusts the microphone. He raises the megaphone to his lips.)

Gentleman and elves,

Big guys and Piling-on is perfect! Leave the rules the way they are! I am sick of the elf-lovers trying to change the game from BLOOD BOWL to TAG, YOU'RE IT BOWL! If you don't like violence, go play soccer!

I am out of here!

(Snarlton takes the megaphone and sticks it up the arse of the closest elf!)

Snarlton Heston
------------------

elves: the other white meat!

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 4:30 pm

Xtreme wrote:I prefer it just be changed back as i am sure it will be. But if I had to choose between teh things said here I would take the add strength up to 3 over the half stregth. I don't think it should be on the same level as claw if there is also a downside to the skill.

Don't forget Claw is a mutation, those are meant to be better than skills/traits.

Let's assume the ST:2 divided up and a ST3 player, then we have

MB +1 on AV-roll, Skill
PO +2 on AV-roll, put prone, Trait (double)
Claw +2 on AV-roll, Physical (double)

You get a clear hirarchy in cost and efficiency.

BTW, PO is not a problem on normal players, it's a problem on Big Guys (who also have MB).

Anyway, as Zombie said most probably it will be changed to announce before the roll.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 6:14 pm

Thats how it should be. Announced before the roll so that it's used less.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:49 pm

i'd like to see the halve round up. Big guys will still take it and use it before every roll .... with a +5 to armour roll who wouldn't. that's an almost a guarantee auto break against woodies, skaven and norse, near auto break against all those av8 guys.... even dwarves and orcs aren't safe with their 9av... roll a 5 on 2 dice and that little dwarf is at least stunned.

Post by **Dave** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:04 pm

maybe the problem is not Piling on but the large amount of Big Guys around ??

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general conclusion= Big guys+Piling On=Unbalanced

general conclusion= Big guys+Piling On=Unbalanced

Piling on is broken