How many games does one need to learn BB?

Rathe · Post by **Rathe** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:41 pm

Impossible to pick up the rule book and learn the games mainly because the rule book isn't even written that well. And the fact that alot of the book is based on situations that if you've never seen make absolutely no sense makes you have to play at least 1 game before any of it falls into place. I say 5 - 10 games before it all falls together though.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:44 pm

The answer to this is how long is a peiece of string, its is totally possable to know how to play from just reading the rulebook but then you can get other players who are never going to grasp the rules, dismiss them as stupid and aren't willing to learn them.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:54 pm

It is probably possible to understand the rules from reading the book. The strategy is going to take a lot longer.

grep-v · Post by **grep-v** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:37 pm

Sputnik wrote:Hi there!
What's your opinion? How many games does a new player need to pick up the game and get competitive with the average player in your league?

Voted for 11-15 because that's the point where most players without prior experience in similar games manage to get along with the rules and finally concentrate on the game.
Additional the average player doesn't play that strong.

ciao

PS: Of course some players never get it right. Has something to do with rain and newspapers but I can't figure it out at the moment

Jerhod · Post by **Jerhod** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:50 pm

Skummy wrote:It is probably possible to understand the rules from reading the book. The strategy is going to take a lot longer.

I think that while it's possible to understand all of the rules just from reading the book, it's not necessarily possible to apply all of the rules from reading the book. I read the rulebook and never had a problem with assists or what I had to roll to pick up the ball/pass the ball/dodge out of a tackle zone, but I did forget about the existence of tackle zones sometimes and would make dodge rolls that I didn't need to because I forgot that I had just moved through a tackle zone. I knew that the tackle zones existed, but when playing I wasn't conscious of that fact. It took me 5-10 games to get comfortable with the rules even though one might say I knew the rules.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:51 pm

If you really like the game you'll pick up the basics in 5 matches. however knowing how to play the game is a different story all together. over the last two years i've played against a whole host of people and i think i'm a much better player for it, although i dont know the rules any better.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:59 pm

I guess I should make the point that people are bound to pick up both rules and strategy easier playing against experienced coaches.
The amount of basic rules queries I see from rookies armed only with a LRB is staggering. And you're not going to learn too much about tactics until you have the rules pretty much screwed down.

(And apart from that, how are rookies playing rookies going to learn about the spirit the game's supposed to be played in?

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Mirascael · Post by **Mirascael** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:38 pm

It's like Magic the Gathering.
I always felt very comfortable with all kinds of blue-white control decks and never really understood how to play aggressive beatdown decks properly (or combo decks like necro).
That said, I feel very comfortable with Woodies whereas I still ain't got no clue how to play Orcs properly after about 20 games (just can't cage) and probably never will have one.

Jerhod · Post by **Jerhod** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:42 pm

Mirascael wrote:That said, I feel very comfortable with Woodies whereas I still ain't got no clue how to play Orcs properly after about 20 games (just can't cage) and probably never will have one.

Makes me wonder what teams are intuitive for me and what teams I'll never understand.

It does make me sad to think that there are some teams that I'll never be able to compete with...

Mirascael · Post by **Mirascael** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:47 pm

Jerhod wrote:Makes me wonder what teams are intuitive for me and what teams I'll never understand.

It does make me sad to think that there are some teams that I'll never be able to compete with...

It somehow seems to me, that playing a specific team thoroughly weakens your ability to play teams which need a different coaching style. I just cannot help it, but I somehow think I try to play my Orcs too much like Woodies, as I often would play aggressive beatdown decks too controlish. At least, that's true for me. Not everyone is meant to be able to coach each team at a high level, perhaps.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:54 pm

Mirascael: MTG was easy to pick up and play, but the more you got into it, the more you had to leard about how their esoteric timing rules worked. BB is the opposite in that once you learn it you know it. More advanced BB is about strategy, and not about rules lawyering.

Mirascael · Post by **Mirascael** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:04 pm

Skummy wrote:Mirascael: MTG was easy to pick up and play, but the more you got into it, the more you had to leard about how their esoteric timing rules worked. BB is the opposite in that once you learn it you know it. More advanced BB is about strategy, and not about rules lawyering.

The esoteric timing rules have been revised and are rather simple now. More advanced Magic is about strategy, and not about rules lawyering as well. Like in Blood Bowl, you could and can only get the edge against rookies by that.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:25 pm

Really? I got out years ago, and that was one of the big problems I had with the game.

Let me know if they do anything to fix the terribly high cost...

Mirascael · Post by **Mirascael** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:32 pm

Skummy wrote:Really? I got out years ago, and that was one of the big problems I had with the game.

You probably refer to Interrupts. They don't exist any longer. Turns have been tightened up as well.

Let me know if they do anything to fix the terribly high cost...

Well I left BB almost 10 years ago because of Magic and have recently abandoned Magic and have gone Blood Bowl again.
Both games have always been my favourites for similar reasons. You can develop teams as individually as you can build decks and suit them according to your playing style. I miss the drafts and sealed decks though.

Snarlton Heston · Post by **Snarlton Heston** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 8:18 pm

1. I enjoyed MTG and BB. I stuck with BB because I hated the cost of updating the cards. Maybe I will purchase the latest PC game and see what has been done to improve the game. I loved the green beat-down decks! I know, Skummy, SHOCKING!

2. I still think this debate still focuses on the key word: Learn

Learning a style and strategy takes time and finding a team that matches your style and tactics takes time. Playing takes minutes!

3. Now add in the luck (in my case the unluck) of the dice and all of your style and tactics are flushed down the toilet!

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