general conclusion= Big guys+Piling On=Unbalanced

[Zombie]

Yes it was. Got 5 out of 79 votes.

Also, you guys gotta think ahead on this. If it becomes a reroll on armour, then it will look like something you do after the hit and not while you hit, and people will start demanding IGMEOY and a ref roll to be associated with it since it will then be pretty much a foul.

[Dragoonkin]

I don't see how rerolling armour looks anything like a foul, but then...you're Zombie.

[Zombie]

You don't? The guy makes a block and doesn't pass armour. Then he piles on and make another armour roll. That's fouling all right. That comment is bound to come up at least once a week on this board if the skill gets changed that way, and some people will probably even make it a crusade to get it linked to the ref.

[Dragoonkin]

I think it sounds more like he's used a skill reroll that has a detriment...but okay.

I mean, it's not like he can roll, hurt you, then go prone and hurt you AGAIN.

[Mestari]

Personally, I actually kind of like the armour reroll.

[gken1]

i don't really care for injuries. I pile on just to get the other player to be at least stunned so the + on armor roll is more important to me than the + on injury roll. Yeah my guy goes on the ground but the other guy is gonna be there longer. So it isn't a no brainer.

[DoubleSkulls]

Okay, earlier in the thread I posted stats about using PO as RR on the Av. Here are the figures.

As you can see the reroll is weak against the high Av teams - which is where the current PO really helps out.

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AV        7      8       9 
Normal   0.417   0.278   0.167 
MB       0.583   0.417   0.278 
Reroll   0.660   0.478   0.306 
S5 PO    0.972   0.917   0.833 

In fact I can't really see the point of taking this as anything other than a 3rd or 4th skill. Once you've got MB & Block it may be useful, but really your odds aren't very good for the downside.

Using PO before the Av roll works fine. Its still a powerful skill, but isn't broken.

[Snew]

I love the armor reroll idea. I even like Zombies interpretation of it. Fail to break armor, drop on the sucka an roll again. Whether or not it gets broght up here time and again has no bearing on wether anything is broken or not. Some people just like to complain, some like to discuss, some argue. Others, like Zombie, like to try and tell the future. I don't care. I'll play the rules, interject when I feel like it and just roll my eyes at all the times Zombie predicts the future posts of our little community here.

[Colin]

Maybe Zonbie should be given the title, "Da Swami" for the way he predicts the future (according to Snots).

[Zombie]

I should try to find the link of the post i made on BBC a few years ago when BB2k1 first came out, and one of my first reactions was "piling on will be way to powerful this way". No one believed me. See where we are now!

[Sushé Wakka]

I still think that the problem is not on the skill itself, but in the insane amount of ST 5 players on the field... As I already said, no one has problems with the skill when the player using it has ST 3.

[neoliminal]

Yes it was. Got 5 out of 79 votes.

Also, you guys gotta think ahead on this. If it becomes a reroll on armour, then it will look like something you do after the hit and not while you hit, and people will start demanding IGMEOY and a ref roll to be associated with it since it will then be pretty much a foul.

Well... it is fouling. Piling On isn't legal. But that's pure fluff and you can work the fluff angle any way you want.

[gken1]

couldn't the piler on get away with it by telling the ref ... i just don't got block

[sean newboy]

Although refs are dumber than a box of rocks, why else would they be anywhere near all these psychos, they are still smarter than the players.

[Dave]