Extreme Rule Lawyering Regarding Blunderbuss!

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 2:49 pm

I emailed Andy Hall as Ian suggested and now hold tight for the answer:

Hi,

The Blunderbuss is not a Passing Action.

Cheers
Andy.

Given that, i think there's little doubt that a misfired Blunderbuss can not be a turnover and you can use the Blunderbuss together with a pass that turn!

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 3:04 pm

We should send him ten different messages from ten different sources and see if all the answers are the same... Who wants to try?

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 3:07 pm

This completely changes the way Chaos Dwarves are played. They now get to move the ball downfield three times during their action? I call shenanigans!

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 3:10 pm

Well seeing as you can fire the blunderbus anywhere on the pitch it hardly changes much.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 3:17 pm

I have to disagree with you, here. If it is not a pass action, it is not a turnover when someone doesn't catch the ball, correct? This means anyone on the CD team can just pick up the ball and walk in the endzone!

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 4:19 pm

Wow, i gotta get me one of those things, especially for one of my Wildcard team players. Think of a dwarf team with 2 runners, one uses surehands to pick it up and places a pocket midfield in his side while the other and some blitzers move down towards a td. Once those guys are within td range, blunderbus the ball, if the runner can get to it, sure hands wins the day again.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 6:07 pm

That's damn nasty with the pace of those Bull Centaurs...

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 6:11 pm

I may be wrong, but it smells like a careless off-the-cuff answer to me.

Lob the ball downfield, have anyone pick the damn thing up, walk in and score, like Skummy said.

The wording of the rules was fine as it was. The fact that it even mentioned the passing rules means that "the normal passing rules do not apply - here are the exceptions" You can't claim that they are an entirely unrelated set of rules, and yet reference passing at all. If passing wasn't a factor you would not mention the passing rules.

I see the argument for calling it the other way but I would never ever make that call. Rules do not exist in a vacuum, taking one phrase and extrapolating it like that is the worst of rules lawyering. If the blunderbuss had its own rules to which the passing rules did not apply, you would simply spell out the rules. Instead, it references passing, then lists how it's done. The absence of a specific exception to the turnover rule quite clearly indicates that the normal procedures apply everywhere else.

Bugger it, do what you like. Try it in my league and you're in for a surprise though.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 6:54 pm

Hi,

The Blunderbuss is not a Passing Action.

Cheers
Andy.

Yeah, but considering that Andy doesn't know te first thing about Blood Bowl, this doesn't say much!

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:00 pm

Regardless of whether either u or i agree on this Zombie (and i do, shivers,

) , literally speaking he is currently just a step down from god for bb (which would be Jarvis). By definition he is always rite unless Jarvis or the bbrc (bb angels?) overrule him, he would be the Moses of bloodbowl or a sometimes fallen angel.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 10:02 pm

If he's a step down from Jervis, then that makes him at least two steps down from most of us here. Even Chet (shivers) knows the game better than these two!

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 10:27 pm

Knowing rules and having authority are 2 different things.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:40 am

Yes indeed. But that's very unfortunate and it shouldn't be. But we don't live in a perfect world so we'll have to live with it.

Still, you won't see me asking Jervis or Andy about a rule. They've given too many weird (more like totally out of whack) and often even contradictory answers since they started forgetting about the game near 1995 or 1996.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:36 am

I originally suggested emailing Andy for an answer not because I thought he would give a sensible considered response, but because the poster was talking about using it at The Blood Bowl, where presumably Andy will be the final arbiter of the rules.

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:37 am

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Blunderbuss SHOULD be the team's pass action for the turn. If it gets caught, all well and good - play may continue. If not then tough...Turnover. This is how I would always play it.

If it ISN'T a turnover then Sure Hands Hobgoblin-Blunderbuss- Sure Hands Bull Centaur becomes a VERY nasty proposition. I'm actually considering taking HMP on one of my Runners at the BB now though.

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