Why fouling and crowd cas should be given spps again

littlemute · Post by **littlemute** » Tue May 13, 2003 1:51 pm

Zombie wrote:If memory serves, it was something like 66% or 75% against.

We've answered your 3 original points so many times that i can't be bothered to do it anymore.

Yes, however, rules by committee is NEVER a good thing. That's why there must to be a few guys (or one guy) like Jervis and the other coaches in the consortium that look at what we all say/complain about and then synthesize that into a cohesive change to the rule set not simply take % of players that vote for a change.

I felt the chaos DP and fouling caused in pre-IGMEOY leagues and I'm very tenative about the SSP's for fouling, yet some of my favorite players in pro sports and blood bowl are terrible foulers (eddie shore, chuck cecil, john hopoate), a team fouler is CERTAINLY a star player and should get something for his effort. Hell during the 80's the only reason people watched the GB packers was to see Cecil spear someone and come off with a bloody nose bridge.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue May 13, 2003 2:11 pm

no a fouling player is a fan favourite, not necessarilly a star in the sense of really good, vinny jones anyone?

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Tue May 13, 2003 2:20 pm

Players that Kill other Players are REALLY GOOD Blood Bowl players...

There should be:
-no ageing
-more money
-more casualties

-> kill players or force players to retire, replace them, team power levels get reset the same way.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue May 13, 2003 3:26 pm

toby thats 3rd edition and most players seem to agree that the current rules are the best

littlemute · Post by **littlemute** » Tue May 13, 2003 3:32 pm

Toby wrote:Players that Kill other Players are REALLY GOOD Blood Bowl players...

There should be:
-no ageing
-more money
-more casualties

-> kill players or force players to retire, replace them, team power levels get reset the same way.

Why more money? Some teams (chaos dwarf, dwarfs, orcs) have tons sitting in their treasury that they can't use after 7-8 games!

Ageing should be on the SSP chart somewhere, like if you roll snake eyes or box cars, but it's something that needs to be in the game somewhere.

There are plenty of casualties with the current rules, and an increase in casualties doesn't mean the good, high SSP players are going to get into the injury box.

roysorlie · Post by **roysorlie** » Tue May 13, 2003 3:39 pm

littlemute wrote: Why more money? Some teams (chaos dwarf, dwarfs, orcs) have tons sitting in their treasury that they can't use after 7-8 games!

Strange, most elf teams can't seem to even field 11 players most of the time, and are always short on players, money and rerolls.

Must be a dwarf, chaos dwarf and orc thing.

Cuz Elves sure the hell need more money.

Sixpack595 · Post by **Sixpack595** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:11 pm

You need to knock them down somehow. Just because you get SPPs for fouling doesn't mean you stop caring about winning. My Orc team is all about killing right now, my wins are just a bonus to my Cas rate. The guys who play to kill do it with or without SPPs. Besides, its better cause it increases player turnover. I'd rather see my bad ass Gobbo get killed by fouls than age.

Zombie wrote:It's bad because it would produce coaches who do nothing but foul and don't care about the win.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:12 pm

And there we go to one of Toby's suggestions;

Make REPLACING players CHEAPER than EXANDING your roster;

Buy a new ELf = 100K
Sell a Elf = 50K

Dead cost peanlty = 100%
Retirement cost penalty = 50%

Sixpack595 · Post by **Sixpack595** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:17 pm

Your league needs better Elf coaches. Ours have no problem fieldin a full team after a few games. Besides, they don't need 11. Playing a few down is deadly for a bruiser team, not as bad for a dodgy team.

roysorlie wrote:Strange, most elf teams can't seem to even field 11 players most of the time, and are always short on players, money and rerolls.

Must be a dwarf, chaos dwarf and orc thing.

Cuz Elves sure the hell need more money.

Snarlton Heston · Post by **Snarlton Heston** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:21 pm

Speaking of fouling and the greatest real-time DPs:

Dave "the hammer" Shutlz, Philadelphia Fylers

If you haven't seen the movie, Slap Shot, for intense hockey violence and great comedy, go and rent it! You will love the Hanson Brothers!

Snarlton Heston
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Old time hockey, ay! Buy you a soda after the game?

Snarlton Heston · Post by **Snarlton Heston** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:25 pm

Football DPs: Conrad Dobler, Buffalo Bills, O-lineman

He was the master of the leg-whip!

Any others? These guys always fit so well on a BB roster!

Snarlton Heston
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It's just a flesh wound!

roysorlie · Post by **roysorlie** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:30 pm

Sixpack595 wrote:Your league needs better Elf coaches. Ours have no problem fieldin a full team after a few games. Besides, they don't need 11. Playing a few down is deadly for a bruiser team, not as bad for a dodgy team.

Oh, you know, I'm mostly basing that on the multitude of elf coaches on fumbbl that seem to always need recovery. And to a lesses degree skaven.

If, when using an elf eam, you get pounded badly one time, it could very quickly escalate into a nasty downwards spiral, where you get beat around more and more, fewer players are able to play every game, your FF drops due to losses, and money dwindles. Or you end up with a team fileding 10 nigglers.

It's happened to me several times, and many other elf coaches. Trust me when I say all it takes is a little bad luck.

As for how good these elf coaches are, I am usually above the top 50 ranking on fumbbl. (not now though, since all the rankings have been reset, and I've only played 1 game since)

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:32 pm

i don't have a problem with my elf team, or my skaven team who did get badly beaten up

it might be that you just notice the moaning coaches, or maybe you don't notice them cause everytime i have seen you on there you are the one moaning ;]

roysorlie · Post by **roysorlie** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:57 pm

Grumbledook wrote:i don't have a problem with my elf team, or my skaven team who did get badly beaten up

it might be that you just notice the moaning coaches, or maybe you don't notice them cause everytime i have seen you on there you are the one moaning ;]

Well, If you consider my Dark Elf team, I really shouldn't complain at all. But since I only have rolled like 2 doubles on that team, I could bitch about that.

Usually, my moaning is due to a long, long line of double 1's, or due to aging (again double 1's)

Well

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Tue May 13, 2003 7:18 pm

Sixpack595 wrote:You need to knock them down somehow. Just because you get SPPs for fouling doesn't mean you stop caring about winning. My Orc team is all about killing right now, my wins are just a bonus to my Cas rate.

So apparently you don't care much about winning anyhow.

Sixpack595 wrote:The guys who play to kill do it with or without SPPs.

I would rather it stays that way, coaches should be rewarded for making an effort to win the game not just batter the opposition.

Sixpack595 wrote:Besides, its better cause it increases player turnover. I'd rather see my bad ass Gobbo get killed by fouls than age.

Trouble is it increases player turnover for teams that suffer from this anyway more than it does for teams that don't have too much of a problem.

Orc teams generally don't have a player turnover problem. Try playing a Skaven team and I doubt you'll be looking for a higher casulty rate.