Recording BB moves

bitMonkey · Post by **bitMonkey** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:24 am

I've asked this question already, but that was in another thread (Awaken, foul beast....) and I think it deserves one of its own.

What I wanted to know is if someone has invented a standard notation for recording Blood Bowl moves? Kind of like in chess? It's a little sad that once you're done playing, the details of the game are lost. Chessplayers get to replay their games at home on the computer (or on the physical board-thingy, if they're nostalgic), wouldn't it be fun if there was a way to do this with Blood Bowl games?

Feedback & opinions, anyone?

Arkan · Post by **Arkan** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:19 am

yeah, it would be fun.

it would be a bit more complex than in chess I guess, as there is a ton more actions going on. I thought about it, but did not come up with a very good approach. Probably the easiest would be to draw the moves. Kind of a snapshot of each turn. Starting situation and then the moves with arrows and the result of the dice either next to the arrow or next to the field with a refference number next to it.

It would consume some sheets though.

The easiest thing would be an electronic version. Kind of the drag and drop, click, pull down menu approach.

Any Java pros out here.

Blackscale · Post by **Blackscale** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:48 am

You could always number the rows and columns like in chess.
Actions are noted in our league like this:

3->5-SI45, Apo
which means that nummer 3 had done an injury to number 5, a serieus injury with result 45, but that 5 has been saved by the Apothecary.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:56 am

Pbem gives you a full log, and what's more you can rewind/fast forward the game to any point, look at it move by move (either forwards or backwards)
Anyway, here's a log excerpt (my first turn) from by current game:

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64: TURN: DA GONADZ 1
65: Da Gonadz #5 (Smiffy) moves to L12
66: Da Gonadz #13 (Doug) moves to K11
67: Da Gonadz #13 (Doug) gets the ball
68: Da Gonadz: "Da Gonadz #13 (Doug) tries to pick up the ball (Pouring Rain, 3+)"
69: Roll: 6
70: Da Gonadz #13 (Doug) moves to I9
71: Da Gonadz #1 (Fuggit) moves to I11
72: Da Gonadz #2 (Bollox) moves to I7
73: Da Gonadz #2 (Bollox) moves to J8
74: Da Gonadz #16 (Gord 'n' Benet) uses Bonehead skill
75: Roll: 5
76: Da Gonadz: "#16 (ST 5) b #8 (ST 4) a 3,8 (2 block dice)"
77: Block roll: Pushback/POW , Pushback
78: Orklando Tragiks #8 (Kratylos) moves to O6
79: Orklando Tragiks #8 (Kratylos) is prone
80: Da Gonadz #16 (Gord 'n' Benet) moves to N7
81: Armour Roll (AV 9) (5,5)=10 Injury Roll (1,3)+1=5 Stunned
82: Orklando Tragiks #8 (Kratylos) is stunned
83: Da Gonadz: "#7 (ST 4) b #15 (ST 5) a 3,16 (2 block dice)"
84: Block roll: POW , Pushback
85: Orklando Tragiks #15 (Sokrates) moves to O8
86: Orklando Tragiks #15 (Sokrates) is prone
87: Da Gonadz #7 (Banga) moves to N8
88: Armour Roll (AV 8) (1,6)=7 Prone
89: Da Gonadz: "#4 (ST 3) b #6 (ST 4) a 7 (1 block die)"
90: Block roll: Pushback
91: Orklando Tragiks #6 (Tyrtajos) moves to O9
92: Da Gonadz: "Blitz.."
93: Da Gonadz #8 (Biffa) moves to N9
94: Da Gonadz: "#8 (ST 4) blitz #6 (ST 4) a 7 (2 block dice)"
95: Block roll: POW , Pushback
96: Orklando Tragiks #6 (Tyrtajos) moves to P8
97: Da Gonadz #8 (Biffa) moves to O9
98: Orklando Tragiks #6 (Tyrtajos) is prone
99: Armour Roll (AV 9) (5,6)=11 Injury Roll (2,4)=6 Stunned
100: Orklando Tragiks #6 (Tyrtajos) is stunned
101: Da Gonadz #6 (Smasha) moves to I6
102: Da Gonadz #6 (Smasha) moves to I7
103: Da Gonadz #3 (Bosha) moves to J10
104: Da Gonadz: "Foul"
105: Da Gonadz #14 (Spud) moves to N9
106: Da Gonadz: "14 fouls 15 a 7,16"
107: Foul Roll (AV 8) (4,5)+3=12 Foul successful. Referee Roll: 3 - The referee did not notice the foul -  Injury Roll (4,6)+2=12 Sigurd's Roll (3) Badly Hurt
108: I Got My Eye On You: Da Gonadz
109: Orklando Tragiks #15 (Sokrates) Badly Hurt
110: TURN: ORKLANDO TRAGIKS 1

TiMuN · Post by **TiMuN** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:04 am

Fouling on your first turn, Deathwing!?

You dirty b$%&$ard ..

Yes, PBeMBB has all you need to 'record' matches, and see them again. But only if you play with the tool, and not if you want to play a game and note down what happens on a real pitch.

Mr-Klipp · Post by **Mr-Klipp** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:05 am

Christer has written a replay client for the log files of the java game as well. You can step though turns or set it for a play speed and watch the game.

http://replay.fumbbl.com

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:52 am

TiMuN wrote:Fouling on your first turn, Deathwing!?
You dirty b$%&$ard ..

Yes, PBeMBB has all you need to 'record' matches, and see them again. But only if you play with the tool, and not if you want to play a game and note down what happens on a real pitch.

The point was that the notation exists. If you wanted to record a tabletop game with pen and paper then you could easily use the notation that either Pbem (or I guess Java) uses. You could also 'mirror' a tabletop game on a PC I guess, which would make it really easy to review.

As for the foul... a Piling On Troll in a Quarter Final? Too right mate, that's what DPs are for.

Failed his regen too.....

TiMuN · Post by **TiMuN** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:04 am

Deathwing wrote:As for the foul... a Piling On Troll in a Quarter Final? Too right mate, that's what DPs are for. Failed his regen too.....

There goes the hope a whole team ... there goes their season!!

bitMonkey · Post by **bitMonkey** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 10:33 am

Thanks for your replies! It seems as if pbembb has more or less established the standard for how bb moves are recorded. At least for software applications anyway. I don't think anyone would want to record moves that way by hand.

Now I'd like to look at a few games recorded like that. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Or hey, please feel free to email those log files to me!

If it isn't too much of a bother that is. Any and all games are appreciated.

EDITED: Noticed that you couldn't attach files by using the forum's email function, so if you'd like to email log files to me, please use: thomas79@kth.se. Thanks!

TeLef0n0 · Post by **TeLef0n0** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 10:14 pm

I would like some links to some replays too

Then I can watch something fun instead of all the usual crap

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:46 pm

If iirc, you can't email just the log, you have to have the complete game file, in which case you need the pbem tool.

Or can you?

tchatter · Post by **tchatter** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 3:34 am

If he doesn't want to 'watch' it using the tool... you can mail him the PBEMStat.log file...

But the tool can't read that, but you can read it in Notepad.

My suggestion: get the tool, and ask for the final logs so you can 'see' the game and the log...

bitMonkey · Post by **bitMonkey** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:30 am

Ah, I see. I will download the tool then.

Do you know of a database with recorded PBeMBB games available online? I am asking because I'm playing around with the idea of creating a BB computer opponent, who'd learn from experience. It would need lots(!) of sample games to learn, and I thought it'd be fun if it could do that by looking at human vs. human games. (Not only fun, but it would also improve the learning rate a lot.)

What do you people do with the game files once you're done playing a game?

Announcement: I am now officially begging you to send me your PBeMBB game files to thomas79@kth.se .